Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:56745) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RilS1-00074i-Kl; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:42 -0800 Received: by qcsr14 with SMTP id r14sf707067qcs.16 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O7h3zjGTlW3soliXVwwXReJuM8Xscu84u6JnH0YW0Cc=; b=sxvoIuW0+xrnPjBzB3Xxuf4HF2O741mkFkIlDIqt6j0wj4ojmWLaLdP0cnfxgYG+tC fTEcc9cAWVjWuUsI+Ow0Cev5h574pMS0m7n6ERYLoJlN5BByr+vPIamyv3qgs903fnqK MqZ55zPpZ6wR+sSDk/8FBxAQJQONXjPGKuRsE= Received: by 10.224.10.9 with SMTP id n9mr360163qan.4.1325762733080; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.116.194 with SMTP id n2ls25760324qaq.3.gmail; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.188.16 with SMTP id cy16mr357423qab.8.1325762732236; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3add2d11-297a-44b9-92e6-ddb6b7ce18d5@u6g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <201201032219.22221.phma@phma.optus.nu> <56456685-30f1-4c0b-bb0e-5dd3b331aa2a@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: nice sound for lojban "r" From: "buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I speak Arabic and we have the two letters "french r and x lojban"and know the difference between them, but mentioned french r to the strangers, for example, "In fact there is a difference and there is splendor in this letter -french r-" On 5 =ED=E4=C7=ED=D1, 03:49, tsani nicte wrote: > coi > > I think that the French r sound would most likely sound a lot like the > current Lojban x sound, at least that's how I pronounce the French r (I a= m > from Quebec). Also, if you feel more comfortable speaking French rather > than English, feel free to do so. There are (albeit not many) francophone > Lojbanists who could answer any question. > > mu'o mi'e la tsani > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM, buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk > > > > wrote: > > coi > > > =A0Seems that the idea of dispensing with the other sounds of the > > letter r have not Like to many, I also do not want do without for > > that, but more importantly I have to use the French sound for this > > character if there is a grammer rule for the use of each "r" sound be > > thankful. > > > I mean the word "bite" to say the letter "r" as the r French sound > > > co'o > > > On 4 =ED=E4=C7=ED=D1, 05:19, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Tuesday 03 January 2012 17:52:16 MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > > > Having more than one sound for 'r' wouldn't create multiple dialect= s. > > We > > > > already have several allophones for 'r'. > > > > The most it would create is multiple accents. If there were two group= s of > > > Lojbanists and one used "fi'u" as the rafsi of "frinu" while the othe= r > > used > > > it as the rafsi for "cfipu", or one used "malpigi" to mean a fruit wh= ile > > the > > > other knew it only as a word for an insect's kidney, or one always us= ed > > "cu" > > > between "mi" and the selbri and the other didn't, then you'd have > > dialects. > > > > Pierre > > > -- > > > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > > > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.- =C5=CE=DD=C7=C1 =C7=E1= =E4=D5 =C7=E1=E3=DE=CA=C8=D3 - > > - =DA=D1=D6 =C7=E1=E4=D5 =C7=E1=E3=DE=CA=C8=D3 - --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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