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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Conversational ability test. References: <20120104181701.GQ20463@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201201041802.19801.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / tsani nicte wrote: > As for the puzzles themselves, I'm not certain as to what could > potentially be implemented. Throwing switches in a coordinated fashion > could test for comprehension and correct use of ordinals, as I believe > was pointed out by Robin in #lojban. To test for directions, perhaps, we > could construct a sort of maze or obstacle course. The testee is > required to escape, but is blindfolded and can hear nothing but the > voice of the tester, who omnisciently observes the maze from above, or > through a camera affixed to the head of the testee. Following only the > tester's instructions, the testee would have to escape. > > Any other thoughts for tests? Look to role-playing games. A frequent idea is a puzzle that involves some amount of thinking and some amount of role playing. Planning and then carrying out the plan may require good communication (though most role playing puzzles would involve more than two interlocutors). Psychologists use role-playing to work through social interaction problems, and these also would be a source of "situations" to be worked through, and these interactions tend to be more like everyday communications. Negotiation is probably one of the tougher communications problems. The important thing is not that the puzzle or problem be successfully solved, but that the two parties come up with and implement an approach that demonstrates their skill in communicating. -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.