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coi
I'm not a linguist but I just wonder if it's really the way Pierre
describes it: that the concept dialect is defined by the usage of different
words for the same thing, not by the phonetic differences? For example,
swedish may sound quite different depending on where in Sweden you are, due
to the different swedish "dialects". Incidentally there are also some
specific words for different swedish "dialects", which I've always regarded
as a secondary characteristic of dialects. I also wonder what the
geographical ja cultural level are in the definition of a dialect. Has any
lujvo yet been defined for the concept of dialect, sociolect and accent,
respectively? Since gismu generally has a very vague/broad semantic range,
I think you could use zo "bangu" even when speaking of different
dialects/accents, right? So if you would like to explicit speak of
languages (definition?), not dialects nor something else, you'll need a
lujvo specifically for that also, right?

However, I think it's a good thing that lojban is a bit flexible with the
pronounciation of phonemes. I think it makes sense to speak lojban with
different accents and melody. It also makes lojban easier to learn for
people of different cultural backgrounds. For example I like to pronounce
"ng" in lojban nasal as in "sing", as long as you can hear the g in the
end, and similar small variations depending on the phonetic context.

And even if lojban has more restrictions than natlang, I think lojban will
develop quite different in different parts of the world as the community
grows. For example In which combinations of grammatical constructs, tanru
and attitudinals different social groups prefer.
The most important thing would still be to be able understand each other,
right?

mu'omi'e jongausib

Den fredagen den 6:e januari 2012 skrev buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk<
buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk>:
> There is nothing wrong if you're serious, I am lojban-in-study, so
> lojban is the logical human language.
>
> On 5 =D9=8A=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=8A=D8=B1, 23:32, Matthew Walton <matthew.wal..=
.@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5 January 2012 21:02, vitci'i <celestialcognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Buroq Mat:
>>
>> > Thank you for your recent contributions to the lojban mailing list!
>> > Unfortunately, it is often difficult nowadays to distinguish humans
from
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not
>> > a spammer.
>>
>> > 1. Complete the sentence: Lojban is...
>> >  a. a type of sandwich
>> >  b. a language
>> >  c. a tax form
>> >  d. the act of sneezing
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>> > Thank you for your time.
>>
>> .u'isai lo mlapau be mi ku pu porpi pe'a
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coi<br>I&#39;m not a linguist but I just wonder if it&#39;s really the way =
Pierre describes it: that the concept dialect is defined by the usage of di=
fferent words for the same thing, not by the phonetic differences? For exam=
ple, swedish may sound quite different depending on where in Sweden you are=
, due to the different swedish &quot;dialects&quot;. Incidentally there are=
 also some specific words for different swedish &quot;dialects&quot;, which=
 I&#39;ve always regarded as a secondary characteristic of dialects. I also=
 wonder what the geographical ja cultural level are in the definition of a =
dialect. Has any lujvo yet been defined for the concept of dialect, sociole=
ct and accent, respectively? Since gismu generally has a very vague/broad s=
emantic range, I think you could use zo &quot;bangu&quot; even when speakin=
g of different dialects/accents, right? So if you would like to explicit sp=
eak of languages (definition?), not dialects nor something else, you&#39;ll=
 need a lujvo specifically for that also, right?<br>
<br>However, I think it&#39;s a good thing that lojban is a bit flexible wi=
th the pronounciation of phonemes. I think it makes sense to speak lojban w=
ith different accents and melody. It also makes lojban easier to learn for =
people of different cultural backgrounds. For example I like to pronounce &=
quot;ng&quot; in lojban nasal as in &quot;sing&quot;, as long as you can he=
ar the g in the end, and similar small variations depending on the phonetic=
 context.<br>
<br>And even if lojban has more restrictions than natlang, I think lojban w=
ill develop quite different in different parts of the world as the communit=
y grows. For example In which combinations of grammatical constructs, tanru=
 and attitudinals different social groups prefer.<br>
The most important thing would still be to be able understand each other, r=
ight?<br><br>mu&#39;omi&#39;e jongausib<br><br>Den fredagen den 6:e januari=
 2012 skrev <a href=3D"mailto:buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk">buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk<=
/a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk">buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk</a>&g=
t;:<br>
&gt; There is nothing wrong if you&#39;re serious, I am lojban-in-study, so=
<br>&gt; lojban is the logical human language.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 5 =D9=8A=
=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=8A=D8=B1, 23:32, Matthew Walton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matth=
ew.wal...@gmail.com">matthew.wal...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; On 5 January 2012 21:02, vitci&#39;i &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:celesti=
alcognit...@gmail.com">celestialcognit...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&=
gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Dear Buroq Mat:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thank you=
 for your recent contributions to the lojban mailing list!<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Unfortunately, it is often difficult nowadays to distinguish =
humans from<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; bots. Please complete the following short quiz=
 to prove that you are not<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; a spammer.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&=
gt; &gt; 1. Complete the sentence: Lojban is...<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; =C2=A0a. a type of sandwich<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; =C2=A0b. a langu=
age<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; =C2=A0c. a tax form<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; =C2=A0d. the act =
of sneezing<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thank you for your time.<br>&gt;&g=
t;<br>&gt;&gt; .u&#39;isai lo mlapau be mi ku pu porpi pe&#39;a<br>
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