Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:57362) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rp1tW-0008GN-EE; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:12:04 -0800 Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4sf5089003wer.16 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:11:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=zCUM1XjNDv2J3Trej9QvkmIIB+eMyijsMyLBW7PbHwM=; b=aJohqTDuhsXzFBNPOdvWO7XRFwW7rtbrBztRRCMFVPAWy4qunlsEc/VU0t9DrsgTUi VaofuucquYciukc8mbLLe8jSwUybI60tX2UaB2ukPItGlQidnv5k1qpwM6P6PXbNeLPG Bf+ob/YYlnVuf4DC2GTCT/Skmuaw+TcLsYJbU= Received: by 10.216.136.91 with SMTP id v69mr267307wei.4.1327255908295; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:11:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.164.69 with SMTP id yo5ls9696968wib.0.gmail; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.135.233 with SMTP id u83mr370836wei.1.1327255906551; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.206.152 with SMTP id l24msweo; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.133.219 with SMTP id g27mr180363bkt.3.1327248129188; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.133.219 with SMTP id g27mr180362bkt.3.1327248129176; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu12si12349097bkc.1.2012.01.22.08.02.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of datapacrat@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by lahm13 with SMTP id m13so164834lah.23 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.65 with SMTP id t1mr256969lbm.2.1327248128811; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.53.138 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:02:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Bayesian evidential? From: DataPacRat To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: datapacrat@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of datapacrat@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=datapacrat@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / I've been trying to get used to Lojban's indicators, and have at least a general feeling for many of them. But I'm finding that Lojban's standard evidentials don't quite seem to cover a way I'd like to express myself. To try to summarize: in a book dealing with statistics and probability and Bayes Theory, E.T. Jaynes has shown how it can be useful to deal with probability logarithmically rather than linearly; and with a bit of simplification, applying this to Yudkowsky's theories of everyday rationality, it would be useful to have an evidential that could assign an integer's value as the strength of the speaker's belief in what's being said. For some rough English examples: "(Bayes 6) It's going to rain today" meaning I believe there's an 80% of rain; or "I'll be taking the bus (Bayes -20) home", meaning I think there's only a 1% chance it's the bus I'll be going home in. (A bit of further explanation on these numbers is at http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4d5bf17b86585 .) If nothing else, I'd like to be able to use a construction like this in some SF stories with a character who likes Lojban, even if this can't be part of 'real' Lojban. So at the very least, could anybody here recommend some way to construct even a fake evidential to do this, which won't have too many unfortunate collisions with real Lojban? For example, I'm thinking that a currently-unused set of letters in the indicator/UI pattern could be appropriated for the task (perhaps something close to the existing "la'a"), followed by the number, optionally followed by "do'u" if needed to keep the numbers from getting mixed up with the rest of the sentence; but I'm sure there's some reason why that's infeasible. ki'esai, -- DataPacRat lu .iacu'i ma krinu lo du'u .ei mi krici la'e di'u li'u traji lo ka vajni fo lo preti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.