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re: tsani -- I'm told that some French dialects/accents use [=CF=87] (the v=
oiceless
uvular fricative) for the French =E2=80=B9r=E2=80=BA, which would indeed be=
 Lojban {x}
-- but some other dialects/accents use [=CA=81] (the voiced uvular
fricative), which is indeed {r}. The latter is probably what buroq has
in mind.

Also, as a side note regarding the "beauty" of the French r -- I was
told a story that once French tried to replace the French r with /z/,
because they felt the sound was too ugly. This obviously didn't pan
out, but it did affect a handful of words -- that's why the French use
"chaise", instead of the original "chaire" (which was borrowed into
English as "chair"). The more you know.

mi'e cntr

On 5 January 2012 07:19, tsani nicte <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
> coi
>
> I think that the French r sound would most likely sound a lot like the
> current Lojban x sound, at least that's how I pronounce the French r (I a=
m
> from Quebec). Also, if you feel more comfortable speaking French rather t=
han
> English, feel free to do so. There are (albeit not many) francophone
> Lojbanists who could answer any question.
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM, buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk
> <buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> coi
>>
>> =C2=A0Seems that the idea of dispensing with the other sounds of the
>> letter r have not Like to many, I also do not want do without for
>> that, but more importantly I have to use the French sound for this
>> character if there is a grammer rule for the use of each "r" sound be
>> thankful.
>>
>> I mean the word "bite" to say the letter "r" as the r French sound
>>
>> co'o
>>
>> On 4 =D9=8A=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=8A=D8=B1, 05:19, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optu=
s.nu> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 03 January 2012 17:52:16 MorphemeAddict wrote:
>> >
>> > > Having more than one sound for 'r' wouldn't create multiple dialects=
.
>> > > We
>> > > already have several allophones for 'r'.
>> >
>> > The most it would create is multiple accents. If there were two groups
>> > of
>> > Lojbanists and one used "fi'u" as the rafsi of "frinu" while the other
>> > used
>> > it as the rafsi for "cfipu", or one used "malpigi" to mean a fruit whi=
le
>> > the
>> > other knew it only as a word for an insect's kidney, or one always use=
d
>> > "cu"
>> > between "mi" and the selbri and the other didn't, then you'd have
>> > dialects.
>> >
>> > Pierre
>> > --
>> > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
>> > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
>>
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