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On Thursday, January 26, 2012 02:30:09 Sid wrote:
> re: tsani -- I'm told that some French dialects/accents use [=CF=87] (the
> voiceless uvular fricative) for the French =E2=80=B9r=E2=80=BA, which wou=
ld indeed be
> Lojban {x} -- but some other dialects/accents use [=CA=81] (the voiced uv=
ular
> fricative), which is indeed {r}. The latter is probably what buroq has
> in mind.

There's a kind of clay called rhassoul, also spelled ghassoul. The first le=
tter=20
in Arabic is ghayn, which is a rhotic to the French but not to some other=
=20
peoples, hence the two spellings.

> Also, as a side note regarding the "beauty" of the French r -- I was
> told a story that once French tried to replace the French r with /z/,
> because they felt the sound was too ugly. This obviously didn't pan
> out, but it did affect a handful of words -- that's why the French use
> "chaise", instead of the original "chaire" (which was borrowed into
> English as "chair"). The more you know.

I think the reason "chaise" stuck is that "chaire" is a homophone of "chair=
",=20
which means "flesh".

Pierre
--=20
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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