Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:56810) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RqTyc-0003I0-HV; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:26 -0800 Received: by qcsr14 with SMTP id r14sf1184568qcs.16 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=byf/xz4ywP57/Y0ZRE/CaQzvQ0x+ltZ2PJj9BvctxL4=; b=xJnvOl/Qnba8AIa/rqA0o1I1Kv5cztEqPsqeJdPfF5EQuTJwevSJ3wB1uQc2jipDoI Ive573JgR31RrpfJi6gViQdp5rw0Utw4owt++QOhGDq0b+2A0vDvKgg6GHcTxK5OWjHW NTmhbbjLyUIQJBDSR51vIHHeRY8LRkvaFfSaI= Received: by 10.224.1.69 with SMTP id 5mr611296qae.13.1327602185134; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.188.82 with SMTP id cz18ls7812365qab.1.gmail; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.192.200 with SMTP id i48mr333337yhn.14.1327602184008; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:23:02 -0800 (PST) From: djandus Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <11948991.3479.1327602182663.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqy38> In-Reply-To: <20120126004518.GI11054@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <13241564.889.1327536299038.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfq33> <8130534B93E142DEB3632FCE60C9EFC2@gmail.com> <01174A07C02E4D4EB0EDCBD6E3DF3440@gmail.com> <20120126004518.GI11054@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] A phrase with all the phonemes of Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3478_14600791.1327602182662" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_3478_14600791.1327602182662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe guskant meant to use the English phrase as an analogy, not a direct comparison. That is, the English phrase exemplifies all characters in the alphabet (and is thus used when teaching typing) in the same way he wants a Lojban phrase that exemplifies all phonemes (and would thus be useful when teaching pronunciation). A worthy project, indeed. I'd forsee anything too long to be very overwhelming for the new lojbanist, though. I've found it far more useful to just have a few stock words/phrases that show off as many morphemes as possible but in a concise way. (It certainly is very helpful to have {coi} and {co'o} already showing off {c} {oi} and {'} right in the first lesson. I remember teaching {coi .djandus.} and already having explained {c} vs. {tc}, {j} vs. {dj}, the {,} {.} {'} group, and be well on my way to explaining the vowels.) djandus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/WGD_1dPJe0YJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_3478_14600791.1327602182662 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe guskant meant to use the English phrase as an analogy, not a dire= ct comparison. That is, the English phrase exemplifies all characters in th= e alphabet (and is thus used when teaching typing) in the same way he wants= a Lojban phrase that exemplifies all phonemes (and would thus be useful wh= en teaching pronunciation).

A worthy project, indeed. I'= d forsee anything too long to be very overwhelming for the new lojbanist, t= hough. I've found it far more useful to just have a few stock words/phrases= that show off as many morphemes as possible but in a concise way. (It cert= ainly is very helpful to have {coi} and {co'o} already showing off {c} {oi}= and {'} right in the first lesson. I remember teaching {coi .djandus.} and= already having explained {c} vs. {tc}, {j} vs. {dj}, the {,} {.} {'} group= , and be well on my way to explaining the vowels.)

djandus

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