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Subject: Re: [lojban] A phrase with all the phonemes of Lojban?
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Would {ia}, {ie}, {io}... and such be considered separate phonemes? Or
would you be ok with having one of them only, interpreting it as a
sequence of /j/ and a vowel? Same with /u/ ~ /w/.

mi'e cntr

On 26 January 2012 23:53, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe guskant meant to use the English phrase as an analogy, not a
> direct comparison. That is, the English phrase exemplifies all characters in
> the alphabet (and is thus used when teaching typing) in the same way he
> wants a Lojban phrase that exemplifies all phonemes (and would thus be
> useful when teaching pronunciation).
>
> A worthy project, indeed. I'd forsee anything too long to be very
> overwhelming for the new lojbanist, though. I've found it far more useful to
> just have a few stock words/phrases that show off as many morphemes as
> possible but in a concise way. (It certainly is very helpful to have {coi}
> and {co'o} already showing off {c} {oi} and {'} right in the first lesson. I
> remember teaching {coi .djandus.} and already having explained {c} vs. {tc},
> {j} vs. {dj}, the {,} {.} {'} group, and be well on my way to explaining the
> vowels.)
>
> djandus
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