Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:37061) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rqeox-0002z8-P5; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:58:11 -0800 Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5sf319447yen.16 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ql8SpwpiymVKaCA2ZF3mgyUM8pNAAf5UT0HFfs1DF+M=; b=3LniK+b6Ac1owbh4ypWLeqJ7uQhtEMCxUsCkyKv7KVoYSwfcf4sRmk7rbv0i9h+hnd fWgjUL61nQHl9N21YC/CIOLFLpS378ca4ob+OdF74SVTtIw7Rb5/Fv/o43eMZ2OkVbAG riIZ0j+6Es+NZJTcYvWFy4hLVMCcku35/99LY= Received: by 10.236.197.100 with SMTP id s64mr483159yhn.5.1327643865556; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.230.15 with SMTP id c15ls1488672anh.2.gmail; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr2752250ano.10.1327643864810; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr2752249ano.10.1327643864797; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a9si2968420anh.1.2012.01.26.21.57.44; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC872164C for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:57:43 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A phrase with all the phonemes of Lojban? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:57:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <13241564.889.1327536299038.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfq33> <11948991.3479.1327602182663.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqy38> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201201270057.42068.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, January 27, 2012 00:44:29 Sid wrote: > Would {ia}, {ie}, {io}... and such be considered separate phonemes? Or > would you be ok with having one of them only, interpreting it as a > sequence of /j/ and a vowel? Same with /u/ ~ /w/. If the phrase doesn't have all the diphthongs, it should have both and . Also it should have in enough contexts to show the different allophones. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.