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I believe there are too many places to talk about lojban now. 
Although it's nice that lojban is spreading I see the same people talking 
in different places.

I can remember

   1. lojban.org wiki pages
   2. different Google docs edited by the community
   3. lojban.org archive, primarily unsorted and chaotic
   4. lojban irc chat. At least four channels #lojban, #ckule, #makfa, 
   #jbopre. Although some extracts from it are selectively being put onto 
   lojban.org wiki
   5. https://groups.google.com/group/lojban
   6. https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners
   7. https://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva
   8. http://lojbantime.blogspot.com
   9. http://lojban.livejournal.com/ 
   10. yahoo group (rather dead)
   11. jbotcan.org
   12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2213906704/ 
   13. https://plus.google.com/111885648105308968553/posts
   14. twitter channel
   15. Mumble channel
   16. Lojbanic Skype group
   17. vk.com/menli.bangu (Russian forum)
   18. lojban-ru.livejournal.com (Russian forum, rather dead)
   19. google groups Japanese forum

Items #9 through #13 actually duplicate each other. If facebook or G+ allow 
creating topics in a group then they also clash with this google group

I understand that #8 is created by individual lojbanists. I'm grateful that 
they are spreading info on lojban further.
I understand that facebook and G+ are struggling to defeat each other (what 
does lojbanists has to do with it ?)

May be I forgot about some other resourses but isn't this factionalism 
enough ?

Why not select few services and put everything there ?
e.g.

   - lojban wiki
   - lojban discussion forum that allows creating subforums for non-English 
   lojbanists
   - lojban voice chat

P.S. Google Wave was nice for chats but I'm not sure whether current Apache 
Wave is reasonable.

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<span style=3D"text-align: left; ">I believe there are too many places to t=
alk about lojban now.&nbsp;</span><div style=3D"border-style: initial; bord=
er-color: initial; text-align: left; ">Although it's nice that lojban is sp=
reading I see the same people talking in different places.</div><div style=
=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-align: left; "><br><=
/div><div style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-align=
: left; ">I can remember</div><div style=3D"border-style: initial; border-c=
olor: initial; text-align: left; "><ol><li><a href=3D"http://lojban.org/" t=
arget=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; cur=
sor: pointer; ">lojban.org</a>&nbsp;wiki pages<br></li><li>different Google=
 docs edited by the community</li><li><a href=3D"http://lojban.org/" target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; cursor: =
pointer; ">lojban.org</a>&nbsp;archive, primarily unsorted and chaotic<br><=
/li><li>lojban irc chat. At least four channels #lojban, #ckule, #makfa, #j=
bopre. Although some extracts from it are selectively being put onto&nbsp;<=
a href=3D"http://lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: init=
ial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">lojban.org</a>&nbsp;wiki<br>=
</li><li><a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/group/lojban" target=3D"_blan=
k" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; =
">https://groups.google.com/<wbr>group/lojban</a><br></li><li><a href=3D"ht=
tps://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"=
border-style: initial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">https://gr=
oups.google.com/<wbr>group/lojban-beginners</a></li><li><a href=3D"https://=
groups.google.com/group/jbofanva" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: =
initial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">https://groups.google.co=
m/<wbr>group/jbofanva</a></li><li><a href=3D"http://lojbantime.blogspot.com=
/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial;=
 cursor: pointer; ">http://lojbantime.blogspot.com</a><br></li><li><span st=
yle=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: normal; "=
><a href=3D"http://lojban.livejournal.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"bord=
er-style: initial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">http://lojban.=
livejournal.com/</a><wbr>&nbsp;</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-style:=
 initial; border-color: initial; line-height: normal; ">yahoo group (rather=
 dead)</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: i=
nitial; line-height: normal; "><a href=3D"http://jbotcan.org/" target=3D"_b=
lank" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; cursor: pointe=
r; ">jbotcan.org</a><br></span></li><li><a href=3D"https://www.facebook.com=
/groups/2213906704/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; bord=
er-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>groups/=
2213906704/</a>&nbsp;<br></li><li><a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/111885=
648105308968553/posts" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; bo=
rder-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">https://plus.google.com/<wbr>111885=
648105308968553/posts</a></li><li>twitter channel</li><li>Mumble channel</l=
i><li><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-hei=
ght: normal; ">Lojbanic Skype group</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-st=
yle: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: normal; "><a href=3D"http=
://vk.com/menli.bangu" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; bo=
rder-color: initial; cursor: pointer; ">vk.com/menli.bangu</a>&nbsp;(Russia=
n forum)</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color:=
 initial; line-height: normal; "><a href=3D"http://lojban-ru.livejournal.co=
m/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial=
; cursor: pointer; ">lojban-ru.livejournal.com</a>&nbsp;(Russian forum, rat=
her dead)</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color=
: initial; line-height: normal; ">google groups Japanese forum</span></li><=
/ol>Items #9 through #13 actually duplicate each other. If facebook or G+ a=
llow creating topics in a group then they also clash with this google group=
</div><div style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-alig=
n: left; "><br></div><div style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: ini=
tial; text-align: left; ">I understand that #8 is created by individual loj=
banists. I'm grateful that they are spreading info on lojban further.</div>=
<div style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-align: lef=
t; ">I understand that facebook and G+ are struggling to defeat each other =
(what does lojbanists has to do with it ?)</div><div style=3D"border-style:=
 initial; border-color: initial; text-align: left; "><br></div><div style=
=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; text-align: left; "><div =
style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initia=
l; border-color: initial; ">May be I forgot about some other resourses but =
isn't this factionalism enough ?</div><br></div><div style=3D"border-style:=
 initial; border-color: initial; text-align: left; ">Why not select few ser=
vices and put everything there ?</div><div style=3D"border-style: initial; =
border-color: initial; text-align: left; ">e.g.</div><div style=3D"border-s=
tyle: initial; border-color: initial; text-align: left; "><ul><li><span sty=
le=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: normal; ">=
lojban wiki</span></li><li><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-col=
or: initial; line-height: normal; ">lojban discussion forum that allows cre=
ating subforums for non-</span><span style=3D"border-style: initial; border=
-color: initial; line-height: normal; ">English lojbanists</span></li><li><=
span style=3D"border-style: initial; border-color: initial; line-height: no=
rmal; ">lojban voice chat</span></li></ul>P.S.&nbsp;Google Wave was nice fo=
r chats but I'm not sure whether current Apache Wave is reasonable.</div>

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