Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:59010) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RrzGy-0001rp-7u; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:36 -0800 Received: by bkaq10 with SMTP id q10sf4263977bka.16 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/FZV3FHw54S2kofco8dJvPSNRHIFM8jBceCFbxbRbog=; b=vOrKc4phnyK8UFi0129KnH5BZyQTbJsRvR3wFhfMFJzl3Ijnfm7+NIt3frpP69TuZ8 1u5o6cEAydr/6raCULFS5wWuGlSR3NYiaPYHlSX8ercogGVbmn7oL5UEA7lnlsF+uv7G ZLmZldCkJ8RmQqXabCgLPasfzDaWlXtTv1XiA= Received: by 10.204.154.1 with SMTP id m1mr1314848bkw.25.1327960813646; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.4 with SMTP id m4ls15153642bkw.1.gmail; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.84 with SMTP id 20mr2120387bka.2.1327960811698; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.84 with SMTP id 20mr2120386bka.2.1327960811679; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si23002357bko.3.2012.01.30.14.00.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by lahc1 with SMTP id c1so2434591lah.6 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.99.136 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.99.136; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.99.136]) by 10.112.99.136 with SMTP id eq8mr6048040lbb.42.1327960811383 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.136 with SMTP id eq8mr4926078lbb.42.1327960811322; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:00:11 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A comics: "lojbo ckule" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a3f6f3cde04b7c5f8c3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a3f6f3cde04b7c5f8c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For one thing, being six pages in without teaching, literally, /anything/, is a bad start. Secondly, referencing all the various Lojban resources is not a good idea. The video on this page http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/skyrims-opening, while talking about video games, I feel explains the reason behind my second point very well. Thirdly, the teacher is horrible. This is mostly an opinion, but he strikes me as the kind of teacher that no one likes. Because nintadni are voluntarily learning Lojban, no one does anything they don't like unless they are forced, and especially since this is a comic, which is a form of /entertainment/, the teaching really needs to be from an enjoyable character. My suggestion is to start over from scratch, get into the teaching before the end of the first page, intertwine the introductions/story throughout, keep external references beyond Lojban.org out of the comic (one of the main functions of Lojban.org is to be a reference hub, after all) and base the teacher on the interesting, fun ones that made their subject matter enjoyable and interesting. Further, you might want to talk to those of us who have first hand experience teaching Lojban for some pointers on where to start. to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi mu'o mi'e.aionys. On Jan 30, 2012 2:03 PM, "Remo Dentato" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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For one thing,=A0 being six pages in without teaching, literally, /anyth= ing/, is a bad start.

Secondly, referencing all the various Lojban resources is not a good ide= a.

The video on this page http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/skyrims-opening , = while talking about video games, I feel explains the reason behind my secon= d point very well.

Thirdly, the teacher is horrible. This is mostly an opinion, but he stri= kes me as the kind of teacher that no one likes.

Because nintadni are voluntarily learning Lojban, no one does anything t= hey don't like unless they are forced, and especially since this is a c= omic, which is a form of /entertainment/, the teaching really needs to be f= rom an enjoyable character.

My suggestion is to start over from scratch, get into the teaching befor= e the end of the first page, intertwine the introductions/story throughout,= keep external references beyond Lojban.org out of the comic (one of the ma= in functions of Lojban.org is to be a reference hub, after all) and base th= e teacher on the interesting, fun ones that made their subject matter enjoy= able and interesting. Further, you might want to talk to those of us who ha= ve first hand experience teaching Lojban for some pointers on where to star= t.

to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Jan 30, 2012 2:03 PM, "Remo Dentato"= ; <rdentato@gmail.com> wrot= e:

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