Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:50146) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsy1O-0000HR-RG; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:32 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf1123250vbb.16 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=X4CwKf7EA+zw91udd9/ivf9qt8xwTHiniDxeYHxXhjU=; b=clOIzkPykLztumO+QYOYx5pB1GUI4sxDFqQHOwaNakQqkfm2s9HtjUlLwrsPmRheCe f7QAr8Df+ymiPuYP4LHEsWyANsrKcOjv2AmySk2I/TBwZlNb9sDgSo0L668EPEHP+/of zdn2oKocyti2EE8vt4qXWrB4oFXsyCrffM+LQ= Received: by 10.52.36.168 with SMTP id r8mr278121vdj.9.1328194333270; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.102.136 with SMTP id g8ls3872977vco.2.gmail; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.176.98 with SMTP id a62mr4677807yhm.9.1328194332802; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.176.98 with SMTP id a62mr4677803yhm.9.1328194332783; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f45.google.com (mail-yw0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g10si1078236yhn.7.2012.02.02.06.52.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davidandresloquehay@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.45; Received: by yhjj63 with SMTP id j63so1309436yhj.18 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.181.97 with SMTP id k61mr4555949yhm.108.1328194332666; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.162.2 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F2A695E.5040805@gmx.de> References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <1784223.8.1328126426516.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqfa18> <27563121.526.1328175544392.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqia35> <374337D1-48FD-4E29-816D-F7A72C151349@cosmicray.co.uk> <4F2A695E.5040805@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:52:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Kids' Show From: david demartin To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: davidandresloquehay@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davidandresloquehay@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davidandresloquehay@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b11bc642b8804b7fc578c X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf305b11bc642b8804b7fc578c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 doi selpa'i : even for children... I don't think you'd want to get read of War, the Boogyman, or in general, of things that are not right. If everything's all right from the very begining, there is nothing to do, no compelling story to make. Teletubbies will be for ever lame because they lack a big bad wolf... and what use would be pinky and brain, if they weren't up to take over the world ? I even suspect that if you don't portray a real negative figure, like an evil clawed dragon or a perverted cannibalistic teletubbie, something worth fighting against, the kids themselves would soon fill themselves the gap of the bad guy (and fancy themselves as some sort of teletubbie nemesis). The reason is simply that a world were everything's all right is just wrong (even for a small kid). It just doesn't match the way things are (or the way things *feel* anyway). So much so, that if you try hard enough to convince someone that "everything is fine" just the way it is (having a job and going bowling on the week ends), that person might well turn into a suicidal mass murderer, just for the heck of it (like those kids in Colombine high school). Why do you think a fairly normal guy (Anders Breivik) in one of the comfiest countries in the world (Norway) spent years cultivating the fantasy of a muslim plot to take over Europe... why would he want to disrupt so badly the society he lived in ? my guess is: because "whatever people said", Brevik *new *there was still something wrong, something that needed unmasking it and killing it. The moron was dramatically mistaken... but I think it is food for thought. conclusion: please, slaughter some teletubbies before it is too late :-) mi'e david co'o 2012/2/2 selpa'i > Rejection, war, taking over the world.. those things don't strike me as > very positive and certainly aren't things I'd want to be associated with. > Why is it that every story needs war in it? It's not as if positive topics > were boring, you know? > I always thought of the Lojban community as being very friendly and > welcoming, but all this just sounds very negative, not to mention you seem > to want this to be for children. I don't see why we should expose children > to war, fighting, rebellions, hatred, etc. Instead, why not focus on ... > Love and Tolerance? > > Am 02.02.2012 10:50, schrieb CosmicRay: > > More seriously, what would be done with criminally insane people, or evil > infiltrators hell bent on exposing the existence of the space station? > (R/)ejection may be the only solution. > > kozmikreis > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2 Feb 2012, at 09:47, CosmicRay wrote: > > Maybe for speaking Esperanto, loudly, in a cinema. > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2 Feb 2012, at 09:39, "la .lindar." wrote: > > Why would we reject people? -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/5_4deG--2DoJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > -- > .i su'o da ro roi me zo'e moi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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doi selpa'i : even for children... I don't think you'd wan= t to get read of War, the Boogyman, or in general, of things that are not r= ight. If everything's all right from the very begining, there is nothin= g to do, no compelling story to make.=A0Teletubbies will be for ever lame b= ecause they lack a big bad wolf... and what use would be=A0pinky and brain,= if they weren't up to take over the world ?

I even suspect that if you don't portray a real neg= ative figure, like an evil clawed dragon or a perverted cannibalistic telet= ubbie, something worth fighting against, the kids themselves would soon fil= l themselves the gap of the bad guy (and fancy themselves as some sort of t= eletubbie nemesis).=A0
The reason is simply that a world were everything's all right is j= ust wrong (even for a small kid). It just doesn't match the way things = are (or the way things feel=A0anyway). =A0
So much so, tha= t if you try hard enough to convince someone that "everything is fine&= quot; just the way it is (having a job and going bowling on the week ends),= that person might well turn into a suicidal mass murderer, just for the he= ck of it (like those kids in Colombine high school).=A0
Why do you think a fairly normal guy (Anders Breivik) in one of the co= mfiest countries in the world (Norway) spent years cultivating the fantasy = of a muslim plot to take over Europe... why would he want to disrupt so bad= ly the society he lived in ?=A0
my guess is: because "whatever people said", Brevik new <= /i>there was still something wrong, something that needed unmasking it and = killing it. The moron was dramatically mistaken... but I think it is food f= or thought.=A0

conclusion: please, slaughter some teletubbies before i= t is too late :-) =A0=A0
=A0
mi'e david
c= o'o



2= 012/2/2 selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
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Rejection, war, taking over the world.. those things don't strike m= e as very positive and certainly aren't things I'd want to be associated with.
Why is it that every story needs war in it? It's not as if positive topics were boring, you know?
I always thought of the Lojban community as being very friendly and welcoming, but all this just sounds very negative, not to mention you seem to want this to be for children. I don't see why we should expose children to war, fighting, rebellions, hatred, etc. Instead, why not focus on ... Love and Tolerance?

Am 02.02.2012 10:50, schrieb CosmicRay:
More seriously, what would be done with criminally insane people, or evil infiltrators hell bent on exposing the existence of the space station? =A0(R/)ejection may be the only solution.

kozmikreis

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On 2 Feb 2012, at 09:47, CosmicRay <cr@cosmicray.co.uk> wrote:

Maybe for speaking Esperanto, loudly, in a cinema.

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On 2 Feb 2012, at 09:39, "la .lindar." <lindarthebard@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

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