Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:64001) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt0Io-0001t3-Pn; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:37 -0800 Received: by bke17 with SMTP id 17sf2878541bke.16 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x15KeKkOEn8//MlkwnxQGBmIW+lc4uMx66iMsSqVqs8=; b=FHyc8Nxz7ielgSSX7ey+rPHZYcmDR1GgSjLv0Z97btsERDn5SssJBGF7iRheiTOMsn mdmXgljfFmCFNeJQKD4lP3Tk7hAktTnoT7WRYvzzVo0+dXc/oIlwitLeIbE1TIwokxsb Zu0e8TV/z0Otboq4bHtYh7yKyyZIWVhA3aK4I= Received: by 10.204.128.209 with SMTP id l17mr290689bks.20.1328203100319; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.4 with SMTP id m4ls23537312bkw.1.gmail; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.84 with SMTP id 20mr301383bka.2.1328203098700; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.84 with SMTP id 20mr301382bka.2.1328203098653; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si4360716bkb.1.2012.02.02.09.18.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.43; Received: by bkbzv3 with SMTP id zv3so4117868bkb.16 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.82 with SMTP id o18mr1844590bko.20.1328203098004; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.35.15 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:18:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:18:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Incomplete translation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd002d89ebf04b7fe619f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175cd002d89ebf04b7fe619f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, =C1lvaro Vallejo wro= te: > Hi, > > I am now reading ".i le nu selkalma le bloti" as learning material. I > think, however, that part of the original text translation is missing: > > =3D> "And he heard their voices calling his name, and shouting from the > field to field telling one another of the coming of the ship." > > =3D> .ije ko'a tirna nu leiko'e voksa cu krixa ...? > > Maybe someone can help me/the community translating the missing part? > OK, I'll do it and someone will correct me: > > .ije ko'a tirna nu leiko'e voksa cu krixa le ko'a se cmene .ije ko'e > lausku vo'a lenu selklama le bloti > ... well, I desist! I can't include the "from the field to field" > part... > > Any help appreciated. > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DThe+Prophet%3A+The+Comin= g+of+the+Ship > > Well, first off, you need a gadri before the "nu", because he is not a hearing-type of event. Also, isn't the shouting in the scope of what he heard? And I am not sure why the translator is using "lo ko'a" type formats for gismu that include the possessor in them, but that's a stylistic point. I'd proabbly go with something like this: .ije ko'a tirna lo nu ge lo voksa be ko'e cu krixa lo cmene be ko'a gi lausku bu'u lo foldi fa'a lo bi'u foldi tezu'e lo nu simxu jungau tu'a lo nu le bloti cu klama --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015175cd002d89ebf04b7fe619f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at= 8:45 AM, =C1lvaro Vallejo <avallejor@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I am now reading ".i le nu selkalma le bloti" as learning materia= l. I
think, however, that part of the original text translation is missing:

=3D> "And he heard their voices calling his name, and shouting from= the
field to field telling one another of the coming of the ship."

=3D> .ije ko'a tirna nu leiko'e voksa cu krixa =A0 =A0...?

Maybe someone can help me/the community translating the missing part?
OK, I'll do it and someone will correct me:

.ije ko'a tirna nu leiko'e voksa cu krixa le ko'a se cmene .ije= ko'e
lausku vo'a lenu selklama le bloti
... well, I desist! I can't include the "from the field to field&q= uot;
part...

Any help appreciated.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-i= ndex.php?page=3DThe+Prophet%3A+The+Coming+of+the+Ship


=A0 Well, first off, you need a gadri before the &qu= ot;nu", because he is not a hearing-type of event. =A0Also, isn't = the shouting in the scope of what he heard? =A0And I am not sure why the tr= anslator is using "lo ko'a" type formats for gismu that inclu= de the possessor in them, but that's a stylistic point. =A0I'd proa= bbly go with something like this:

=A0 .ije ko'a tirna lo nu ge lo voksa be ko'e c= u krixa lo cmene be ko'a gi lausku bu'u lo foldi fa'a lo bi'= ;u foldi tezu'e lo nu simxu jungau tu'a lo nu le bloti cu klama

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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