Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:35452) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RtcDE-0002Rt-80; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:26 -0800 Received: by bke17 with SMTP id 17sf4279240bke.16 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KAWCg3S3w6uRAtDytCxwdpWgqJnlMWpNu90ENCIuQRM=; b=Yh1J1AbpfWwD28NSGU1b/iMnXLp2y5qYAkuZSP6FuELOUTlutlQLtXyeXW6Xk1mrpb aJHchxKnf5u1WyeE1PB0xts3s1DO/1Xg8vVXqDpNH+og7kSFlRfKFCdLgQ1HVPTbUHJ/ Uh/VxVqGhQmFwQL3q38PiPdgf0uidOYGUSjJc= Received: by 10.205.127.69 with SMTP id gz5mr597320bkc.28.1328348825733; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls7109069bkb.0.gmail; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.135 with SMTP id x7mr289363bkw.2.1328348824756; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.135 with SMTP id x7mr289362bkw.2.1328348824725; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si12558225bkb.1.2012.02.04.01.47.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.49; Received: by laam7 with SMTP id m7so3093364laa.22 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.67 with SMTP id n3mr2725224lbz.29.1328348823544; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 01:47:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <1175d027-7496-4143-9d14-763ded1f3c45@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <05D01DFA-5F70-4608-88D1-4714C6F2D486@gmail.com> <11396495.2099.1328290571980.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqks7> <9ff8b418-53f1-495d-bed7-69c922e441f2@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <10824171.2136.1328294490505.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoe12> <0B7A67C8-F579-4F17-B062-6B2C2E400BE2@lojban.org.uk> <0368DA75-45E9-4AE8-846D-0569C96C851F@lojban.org.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 02:47:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids' Show From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554e114c3e21f04b8204f36 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec554e114c3e21f04b8204f36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM, kozmikreis wrote= : > I can draw, several people can draw, but I want something that is drawn > well. remod's artwork looks good, irrespective of the methods by which it > came about. > That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order for it to be his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of the artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permission to use it. His work was putting the parts together. > Do you have a positive contribution to add? Stating the obvious is=85 > Obvious. > Obviously. :) Let's see.... something positive.... Okay, how about this. www.reallifecomics.com is a webcomic done by someone who professes no artistic talent. It's made using SVG images put together into a comic, and entirely done in Photoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can't remember exactly, but it's an Adobe program- whichever one The gIMP is more like). In my own opinion, the comic's look is "good". It wouldn't be hard for us to do something similar. remod: I didn't create that demo, that was by the person who wrote the > graphic novel engine, and it appears they in turn "borrowed" the imagery > from games. > > kozmikreis > > > > On 4 Feb 2012, at 09:02, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Or, alternatively, we can find someone who can, you know, draw. > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> Well, as ayonis said it's very hard to make distinctive characters >> with ComiPo (it's its greatest weakness) and I'm really working hard >> to make the comics look passable. >> >> There are other options though. Kozmikreis example is great in using >> 3d models (not sure if you used Daz Studio or Poser) and those can be >> customized. This is a good example >> http://inhermajestysservice.thecomicseries.com . >> >> I've seen others using models from Miku Miku Dance or Second Life but >> much less satisfactory results (imho). >> >> One might even use something more abstract as "Strip Generator" >> (http://s3.amazonaws.com/stripgenerator/strip/57/84/06/00/00/full.png). >> I already checked with them and they are fine with redistribtion of >> the images outside their site as long is not commercial). >> >> If I can help with the startup on using ComiPo I'll be happy to, but >> maybe it would be better to wait for the ability to import 3D models >> (which the Japanese version already has) to see if we can make some >> more original artwork. >> >> remod > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@loj= ban.org.uk> wrote:
I can draw, several people can dra= w, but I want something that is drawn well. remod's artwork looks good,= irrespective of the methods by which it came about.

That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork.= In order for it to be his, it would have to have been created by him. It w= asn't. All of the artwork was created by other people, remod merely pai= d for the permission to use it. His work was putting the parts together. =A0
Do you have a positive contribution to add? =A0Sta= ting the obvious is=85 =A0Obvious.

Obviously. :)

Let's see.... somethin= g positive.... Okay, how about this. www.reallifecomics.com is a webcomic done by someone who professes = no artistic talent. It's made using SVG images put together into a comi= c, and entirely done in Photoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can't remember exac= tly, but it's an Adobe program- whichever one The gIMP is more like). I= n my own opinion, the comic's look is "good".

It wouldn't be hard for us to do something similar.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
remod: I didn't create that demo, that was by the person who wrote= the graphic novel engine, and it appears they in turn "borrowed"= the imagery from games.

kozmikreis



=
On 4 Feb 2012, at 09:02, Jonathan Jones wrote:

Or, alternatively, we can find someone who can, you know, = draw.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Remo Dentato= <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, as ayonis= said it's very hard to make distinctive characters
with ComiPo (it's its greatest weakness) and I'm really working har= d
to make the comics look passable.

There are other options though. Kozmikreis example is great in using
3d models (not sure if you used Daz Studio or Poser) and those can be
customized. This is a good example
http://inhermajestysservice.thecomicseries.com .

I've seen others using models from Miku Miku Dance or Second Life but much less satisfactory results (imho).

One might even use something more abstract as "Strip Generator" (http://s3.amazonaws.com/stripgenerator/strip/57/84= /06/00/00/full.png).
I already checked with them and they are fine with redistribtion of
the images outside their site as long is not commercial).

If I can help with the startup on using ComiPo I'll be happy to, but maybe it would be better to wait for the ability to import 3D models
(which the Japanese version already has) to see if we can make some
more original artwork.

remod

=

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