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On 4 Feb 2012, at 09:47, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wro=
te:
> I can draw, several people can draw, but I want something that is drawn w=
ell. remod's artwork looks good, irrespective of the methods by which it ca=
me about.
>=20
> That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order for it to=
 be his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of the a=
rtwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permission to=
 use it. His work was putting the parts together.

His work is a derivative of other sources as he stated, and those source pi=
eces were brought together in a novel and artistic way.  Derivative works o=
f art are still art.  Semantics aside, the output artwork looks good, and f=
or the purposes we're discussing my qualitative judgment is it is sufficien=
t.  YMMV.

> Do you have a positive contribution to add?  Stating the obvious is=85  O=
bvious.
>=20
> Obviously. :)
>=20
> Let's see.... something positive.... Okay, how about this. www.reallifeco=
mics.com is a webcomic done by someone who professes no artistic talent. It=
's made using SVG images put together into a comic, and entirely done in Ph=
otoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can't remember exactly, but it's an Adobe program=
- whichever one The gIMP is more like). In my own opinion, the comic's look=
 is "good".
>=20
> It wouldn't be hard for us to do something similar.=20

Yep, that looks good to me too.  Photoshop is the closest Adobe product to =
GIMP, Illustrator is close, and Paintshop is from a different vendor.  Are =
the SVG source images his own?  Would you be willing to have a try at creat=
ing a few panels this way?

kozmikreis

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:=
 space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 4 Feb 2012, a=
t 09:47, Jonathan Jones wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 a=
t 2:22 AM, kozmikreis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kozmikreis@lo=
jban.org.uk">kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I can draw, several people can dra=
w, but I want something that is drawn well. remod's artwork looks good, irr=
espective of the methods by which it came about.</div></div></blockquote>
<div><br>That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order fo=
r it to be his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All o=
f the artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permis=
sion to use it. His work was putting the parts together.<br></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>His work is a derivative of other sources as =
he stated, and those source pieces were brought together in a novel and art=
istic way. &nbsp;Derivative works of art are still art. &nbsp;Semantics asi=
de, the output artwork looks good, and for the purposes we're discussing my=
 qualitative judgment is it is sufficient. &nbsp;YMMV.</div><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Do you have a pos=
itive contribution to add? &nbsp;Stating the obvious is=85 &nbsp;Obvious.</=
div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Obviously. :)<br><br>Let's see.... something po=
sitive.... Okay, how about this. <a href=3D"http://www.reallifecomics.com/"=
>www.reallifecomics.com</a> is a webcomic done by someone who professes no =
artistic talent. It's made using SVG images put together into a comic, and =
entirely done in Photoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can't remember exactly, but it=
's an Adobe program- whichever one The gIMP is more like). In my own opinio=
n, the comic's look is "good".<br>
<br>It wouldn't be hard for us to do something similar. <br></div></div></b=
lockquote></div><br><div>Yep, that looks good to me too. &nbsp;Photoshop is=
 the closest Adobe product to GIMP, Illustrator is close, and Paintshop is =
from a different vendor. &nbsp;Are the SVG source images his own? &nbsp;Wou=
ld you be willing to have a try at creating a few panels this way?</div><di=
v><br></div><div>kozmikreis</div></body></html>

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