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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:04 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote=
:

> On 4 Feb 2012, at 09:47, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk>wrot=
e:
>
>> I can draw, several people can draw, but I want something that is drawn
>> well. remod's artwork looks good, irrespective of the methods by which i=
t
>> came about.
>>
>
> That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order for it to
> be his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of the
> artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permission
> to use it. His work was putting the parts together.
>
>
> His work is a derivative of other sources as he stated, and those source
> pieces were brought together in a novel and artistic way.  Derivative wor=
ks
> of art are still art.  Semantics aside, the output artwork looks good, an=
d
> for the purposes we're discussing my qualitative judgment is it is
> sufficient.  YMMV.
>
> Do you have a positive contribution to add?  Stating the obvious is=85
>>  Obvious.
>>
>
> Obviously. :)
>
> Let's see.... something positive.... Okay, how about this.
> www.reallifecomics.com is a webcomic done by someone who professes no
> artistic talent. It's made using SVG images put together into a comic, an=
d
> entirely done in Photoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can't remember exactly, but
> it's an Adobe program- whichever one The gIMP is more like). In my own
> opinion, the comic's look is "good".
>
> It wouldn't be hard for us to do something similar.
>
>
> Yep, that looks good to me too.  Photoshop is the closest Adobe product t=
o
> GIMP, Illustrator is close, and Paintshop is from a different vendor.  Ar=
e
> the SVG source images his own?
>

Yes. All the characters, scripts, etc. are wholly made by Greg Dean-
including the web page design, except where it's obviously not (like the
ads).


> Would you be willing to have a try at creating a few panels this way?
>

I could try, but my time is rather limited what with school.


> kozmikreis
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:04 AM, kozmikreis <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk">kozmikreis@loj=
ban.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class=3D"im"><div>On 4 Feb 20=
12, at 09:47, Jonathan Jones wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM, kozmikreis <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk" target=3D"_blank">=
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I can draw, several people can dra=
w, but I want something that is drawn well. remod&#39;s artwork looks good,=
 irrespective of the methods by which it came about.</div></div></blockquot=
e>

<div><br>That&#39;s an invalid statement. It isn&#39;t remod&#39;s artwork.=
 In order for it to be his, it would have to have been created by him. It w=
asn&#39;t. All of the artwork was created by other people, remod merely pai=
d for the permission to use it. His work was putting the parts together.<br=
>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>His work is a derivative=
 of other sources as he stated, and those source pieces were brought togeth=
er in a novel and artistic way. =A0Derivative works of art are still art. =
=A0Semantics aside, the output artwork looks good, and for the purposes we&=
#39;re discussing my qualitative judgment is it is sufficient. =A0YMMV.</di=
v>
<div class=3D"im"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word">
<div>Do you have a positive contribution to add? =A0Stating the obvious is=
=85 =A0Obvious.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Obviously. :)<br><br>Let&#39;s see.... somethin=
g positive.... Okay, how about this. <a href=3D"http://www.reallifecomics.c=
om/" target=3D"_blank">www.reallifecomics.com</a> is a webcomic done by som=
eone who professes no artistic talent. It&#39;s made using SVG images put t=
ogether into a comic, and entirely done in Photoshop. (Or Paintshop, I can&=
#39;t remember exactly, but it&#39;s an Adobe program- whichever one The gI=
MP is more like). In my own opinion, the comic&#39;s look is &quot;good&quo=
t;.<br>

<br>It wouldn&#39;t be hard for us to do something similar. <br></div></div=
></blockquote></div></div><br><div>Yep, that looks good to me too. =A0Photo=
shop is the closest Adobe product to GIMP, Illustrator is close, and Paints=
hop is from a different vendor. =A0Are the SVG source images his own?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Yes. All the characters, scripts, etc. are whol=
ly made by Greg Dean- including the web page design, except where it&#39;s =
obviously not (like the ads).<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Would you be willing to have a try=
 at creating a few panels this way?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I coul=
d try, but my time is rather limited what with school.<br>=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><font color=3D"#888888"><div=
>kozmikreis</div></font></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">

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