Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:38607) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rtd1V-0002mR-Sl; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:15 -0800 Received: by bke17 with SMTP id 17sf4322348bke.16 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yWnv4Kh1V/rMLaUE3tfr/q+7ugoDe9HixBgWDdBVNac=; b=T7Olfc0cjeAK6kTBggVK/VMza3cNVpYOtR8dAKVHOv0jAwb4TIa2VBKINyGzBcsbzw 8zrcp5a9x/e8wdiUSLxMka939TAdw4hHeNEqi5oVKrXKEt29nvAePPGfmwLf7fd+SsZ2 MIqIhvjXxPSAwvX62zXBWRoE8/gVpHjXfqcuI= Received: by 10.205.134.146 with SMTP id ic18mr629251bkc.19.1328351943809; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.155.76 with SMTP id r12ls28243561bkw.3.gmail; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.212 with SMTP id s20mr829314bkt.5.1328351943163; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.212 with SMTP id s20mr829313bkt.5.1328351943140; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m020-f171.google.com (mail-lpp01m020-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si12722427bko.3.2012.02.04.02.39.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.171; Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so847801lbj.2 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.32.1 with SMTP id e1mr2858756lbi.3.1328351942766; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 02:39:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <1175d027-7496-4143-9d14-763ded1f3c45@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <05D01DFA-5F70-4608-88D1-4714C6F2D486@gmail.com> <11396495.2099.1328290571980.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqks7> <9ff8b418-53f1-495d-bed7-69c922e441f2@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <10824171.2136.1328294490505.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoe12> <0B7A67C8-F579-4F17-B062-6B2C2E400BE2@lojban.org.uk> <0368DA75-45E9-4AE8-846D-0569C96C851F@lojban.org.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 03:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids' Show From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554dff6af704804b8210999 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec554dff6af704804b8210999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't have a problem. I'm just saying it's not your art. Your work is a collage, not a painting. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order for it > to be > > his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of the > > artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the > permission to > > use it. His work was putting the parts together. > > Not sure what's your problem with this, ayonis. > > Maybe I gave the impression that I had a software doing all the work > for me, but if you give a try to ComiPo (there's a trial version) > you'll see that it's not exactly this way. > > For example, I'm not using stock backgrounds (the ones that come with > the software) instead, for each panel I took one or more snapshots in > SL from the angle I imagined the panel to be drawn. Then I process > them in Gimp to make them match the tone of the characters. > > Characters have been customized to the extent that ComiPo allows it > (which is not much, alas) and they need to be placed correctly to > match the perspective of the snapshots taken in SL. > > You might also have noticed that the characters are not just placed in > front of the background (as it often happens with this type of comics) > but they are "embedded" into it, meaning that once the character is > placed in the right position I have to export separate layers and make > the "front" part emerge from the background. > > Also the lettering is done in Inkscape because the ComiPo support for > lettering is very poor. > > I claim no artristry, but if I gave the impression that I have a way > to instruct the computer to make comics on my behalf, that's not the > case. I just wanted to create something looking decent, I think the > process I've devised gives me the results I was looking for. > > remod > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec554dff6af704804b8210999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have a problem. I'm just saying it's not your art. Your= work is a collage, not a painting.

On Sa= t, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:= 47 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:
> That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In = order for it to be
> his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of = the
> artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permiss= ion to
> use it. His work was putting the parts together.

Not sure what's your problem with this, ayonis.

Maybe I gave the impression that I had a software doing all the work
for me, but if you give a try to ComiPo (there's a trial version)
you'll see that it's not exactly this way.

For example, I'm not using stock backgrounds (the ones that come with the software) instead, for each panel I took one or more snapshots in
SL from the angle I imagined the panel to be drawn. Then I process
them in Gimp to make them match the tone of the characters.

Characters have been customized to the extent that ComiPo allows it
(which is not much, alas) and they need to be placed correctly to
match the perspective of the snapshots taken in SL.

You might also have noticed that the characters are not just placed in
front of the background (as it often happens with this type of comics)
but they are "embedded" into it, meaning that once the character = is
placed in the right position I have to export separate layers and make
the "front" part emerge from the background.

Also the lettering is done in Inkscape because the ComiPo support for
lettering is very poor.

I claim no artristry, but if I gave the impression that I have a way
to instruct the computer to make comics on my behalf, that's not the case. I just wanted to create something looking decent, I think the
process I've devised gives me the results I was looking for.

remod

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