Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:55627) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RuOjV-0001fZ-Nq; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:57 -0800 Received: by bke17 with SMTP id 17sf6224952bke.16 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8i5WjhAwgcuZw3ekuE+Y4gMkzZKsAwbbDquS/7nr2V4=; b=v5MF2Ds5M+7CbrdLVqh9O3zQz+1AoV3Xw2VJmoF+tFeRIGdXXjlwf1YOY574cNgYEn vwsntiHkO4ZkGrTenYPtj7GiMVky5gbQorXVFGoIuI8Clpv5Qfh3fOWvkfleq/RjmHua lqb5fCtZcqC19+P3b1JH4mRHgTzP0Z7HEk/9Q= Received: by 10.204.154.5 with SMTP id m5mr887952bkw.23.1328535337819; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls26091bkb.0.gmail; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.155.75 with SMTP id r11mr1371529bkw.7.1328535336053; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.155.75 with SMTP id r11mr1371528bkw.7.1328535336028; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f48.google.com (mail-bk0-f48.google.com [209.85.214.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3si22992300bka.0.2012.02.06.05.35.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.48; Received: by bkbzt19 with SMTP id zt19so6762724bkb.21 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.200.197 with SMTP id ex5mr8235972bkb.128.1328535335858; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.35.15 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 05:35:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F271362.50803@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:35:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A comics: "lojbo ckule" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b3970d652c3f17604b84bbcea X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --485b3970d652c3f17604b84bbcea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just to completely derail this topic, I was actually IN that play, as Don http://www.jewishtheatreworkshop.org/photos/aitt5.jpg My director and stage manager were amazed at how fast I was able to memorized the lines of basically complete nonsense. I told them that I already am fluent in a real constructed language, lojban, so it was easy. :-) --gejyspa On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, .arpis. wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> As much as possible, yes. Since it's meant for people who have little to >> no Lojban knowledge, it either can't be, our would extremely difficult to, >> put in entirely, exclusively, Lojban. >> > Not quite disagreeing, but I'm reminded of "The Universal Language", a > play by David Ives, where approximately half the action takes place in a > constructed (mostly nonsense) language that the audience did not know > before the show. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJzIUuJmOs > >> That said, the more of it that is in Lojban, the better. Most foreign >> language teachers in my experience establish a "only this language is >> allowed in this class" rule. The comic's class should have that rule as >> soon as the characters are able to say a complete bridie. Even one as >> simple as {mi pendo}. >> >> There are two reasons for this. One, the more Lojban readers (and >> characters) are exposed to the language the more quickly and easily they >> will acquire it. You do need to be careful not to do anything too complex, >> however. Two, the less non-Lojban in the comic, the Leeds translating work >> needs to done for non-English nintadni. >> >> to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi >> >> mu'o mi'e.aionys. >> On Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM, "vitci'i" >> wrote: >> >>> My suggestion is to also publish the comic in lojban. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 Just to completely derail this topic, I was actually I= N that play, as Don=A0 http://ww= w.jewishtheatreworkshop.org/photos/aitt5.jpg=A0 My director and stage m= anager were amazed at how fast I was able to memorized the lines of basical= ly complete nonsense. =A0I told them that I already am fluent in a real con= structed language, lojban, so it was easy. :-)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gma= il.com> wrote:


On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:

As much as possible, yes. Since it's meant for people who have littl= e to no Lojban knowledge, it either can't be, our would extremely diffi= cult to,=A0 put in entirely, exclusively,=A0 Lojban.

Not quite disagreeing, but I'm reminded of "The Universal Language= ", a play by David Ives, where approximately half the action takes pla= ce in a constructed (mostly nonsense) language that the audience did not kn= ow before the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1DJzIUuJmOs

That said, the more of it that is in Lojban, the better. Most foreign la= nguage teachers in my experience establish a "only this language is al= lowed in this class" rule. The comic's class should have that rule= as soon as the characters are able to say a complete bridie. Even one as s= imple as {mi pendo}.

There are two reasons for this. One, the more Lojban readers (and charac= ters) are exposed to the language the more quickly and easily they will acq= uire it. You do need to be careful not to do anything too complex, however.= Two, the less non-Lojban in the comic, the Leeds translating work needs to= done for non-English nintadni.

to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Jan 30, 2012 3:02 = PM, "vitci&apos;i" <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
My suggestion is to also publish the comic in lojban.

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