Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:56406) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RubhV-0000se-OU; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:46 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf3005526vbb.16 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OXdswN+U0pNziEItjEeADfxpMh8F3NKmWFaiLot8teE=; b=aXYQ/9PUxZk/8v34LgQtQGFslyrS5Sk4/kVAKDs+vTd6MdKhkdx5e0LjNcR4ZlrE5I lNvcWUUQrBFZr8eym6aIeB8UrpYUTGi/0OKarrwMViqyTWXDyMWAnt6GQWOzZJeaMXgS FmvCQrrsoTxaqKYVQTE61wVH+6uZkIgJpog+s= Received: by 10.52.17.143 with SMTP id o15mr2057214vdd.8.1328585189154; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.149.19 with SMTP id r19ls3623407vcv.2.canary; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.29.227 with SMTP id n3mr11520555vdh.7.1328585188267; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.29.227 with SMTP id n3mr11520554vdh.7.1328585188236; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y2si5357649vdt.3.2012.02.06.19.26.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by mail-vw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id k17so4348932vbj.19 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.68.210 with SMTP id y18mr9901424vdt.37.1328585188141; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.136 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:26:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2093A42C-9A61-4639-8988-8B76B0E78534@lojban.org.uk> References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <201202052047.32864.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201202061358.31103.phma@phma.optus.nu> <2093A42C-9A61-4639-8988-8B76B0E78534@lojban.org.uk> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Kids' Show/Comic To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079b7bc316b2b04b85758c3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3079b7bc316b2b04b85758c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, an interesting feature of visual novels is that the choices can be used to forge relationships of different strengths with different characters, which in turn influences the events taking places later on. These choices typically come in the form of responses to questions asked directly to the main character, whom I'd guess is Guy. For example upon meeting a new character, Guy has to say something, either [lo pluka mi li'i penmi] or colder things like simply [coi] or maybe meanest of all [je'e] (which I'd construe as being rude; I mean who answers to "Hi nice to meet you!" with "Yeah"?!) Also, I'd figure that in a 100% lojbanic environment that regular cmevla would fall out of use for names, especially those of lojban origin. It seems to me like the real purpose of cmevla is to allow for inclusion of natlang names without resorting to using clunky stuff like zoi and friends, at the small cost of losing a bit of the original pronunciation or adding an extra consonant. Otherwise, the only use I see for cmevla is to use CVC rafsi as nicknames, but in my experience this isn't common right now either. But then again, only few have gismu names. The [kampacn] two-language joke is pretty neat, gotta say. I think, though, that [ka pacna] or [kampacna] are just as nice as names. Maybe in lobgugde there will be a sort of natlangisation when it comes to nicknames, where [kampacna] gets reduced into [kampa]. Out of curiosity, why was it called [lobgugde]/[lojgugde] and not [jbogu'e]/[lobgu'e]? mu'o mi'e la tsani On 6 February 2012 15:29, kozmikreis wrote: > On 6 Feb 2012, at 18:58, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Monday, February 06, 2012 05:50:02 Paul wrote: > >> Hi Pierre, > >> > >> I like the name suggestion, good word play, though the joke is biased = to > >> English speakers. > > > > Of course some other names could be jokes in Spanish or Russian=85 > > For this project let's make it a guiding principle, it'll be like a hidde= n > Easter egg for the kids that realise it :-) > > >> Regarding the lessons, superb, I can work with you to ensure the story > fits > >> to the lessons too. > > > > Sounds good. I have some experience teaching English informally to a > > foreigner; this will be similar. He asks me something like "=BFQu=E9 es= la > > diferencia entre malo y cama?", which makes no sense until I figure out > he's > > asking how to pronounce the difference between two English words whose > > translations he gave. The kids probably won't be delving deep into form= al > > grammar, but manipulating example sentences that are relevant to their > world. > > Good stuff. I'm wondering if we should also utilise the graphic novel > engine's ability to include interactive parts like multiple choice pop > quizzes, would they be a boon or a burden? > > >> Are you happy to be > >> the chief station architect as before? > > > > Of course! > > Welcome back on board! Everyone: if anyone has any architectural > questions or suggestions, as far as I'm concerned .pier. has final veto. > I'm going to do my best not to impose my storyline's needs onto his > decisions this time around :-) > > kozmikreis > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf3079b7bc316b2b04b85758c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, an interesting feature of visual novels is that the choices can be us= ed to forge relationships of different strengths with different characters,= which in turn influences the events taking places later on. These choices = typically come in the form of responses to questions asked directly to the = main character, whom I'd guess is Guy. For example upon meeting a new c= haracter, Guy has to say something, either [lo pluka mi li'i penmi] or = colder things like simply [coi] or maybe meanest of all [je'e] (which I= 'd construe as being rude; I mean who answers to "Hi nice to meet = you!" with "Yeah"?!)

Also, I'd figure that in a 100% lojbanic environment tha= t regular cmevla would fall out of use for names, especially those of lojba= n origin. It seems to me like the real purpose of cmevla is to allow for in= clusion of natlang names without resorting to using clunky stuff like zoi a= nd friends, at the small cost of losing a bit of the original pronunciation= or adding an extra consonant. Otherwise, the only use I see for cmevla is = to use CVC rafsi as nicknames, but in my experience this isn't common r= ight now either. But then again, only few have gismu names.

The [kampacn] two-language joke is pretty neat, gotta s= ay. I think, though, that [ka pacna] or [kampacna] are just as nice as name= s. Maybe in lobgugde there will be a sort of natlangisation when it comes t= o nicknames, where [kampacna] gets reduced into [kampa].

Out of curiosity, why was it called [lobgugde]/[lojgugd= e] and not [jbogu'e]/[lobgu'e]?

mu'o m= i'e la tsani

On 6 February 2012 15:29= , kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
On 6 Feb 2012, at 18:58, P= ierre Abbat wrote:

> On Monday, February 06, 2012 05:50:02 Paul wrote:
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> I like the name suggestion, good word play, though the joke is bia= sed to
>> English speakers.
>
> Of course some other names could be jokes in Spanish or Russian= =85

For this project let's make it a guiding principle, it'll be like a= hidden Easter egg for the kids that realise it :-)

>> Regarding the lessons, superb, I can work with you to ensure the s= tory fits
>> to the lessons too.
>
> Sounds good. I have some experience teaching English informally to a > foreigner; this will be similar. He asks me something like "=BFQu= =E9 es la
> diferencia entre malo y cama?", which makes no sense until I figu= re out he's
> asking how to pronounce the difference between two English words whose=
> translations he gave. The kids probably won't be delving deep into= formal
> grammar, but manipulating example sentences that are relevant to their= world.

Good stuff. =A0I'm wondering if we should also utilise the graphi= c novel engine's ability to include interactive parts like multiple cho= ice pop quizzes, would they be a boon or a burden?

>> Are you happy to be
>> the chief station architect as before?
>
> Of course!

Welcome back on board! =A0Everyone: if anyone has any architectural q= uestions or suggestions, as far as I'm concerned .pier. has final veto.= =A0I'm going to do my best not to impose my storyline's needs onto= his decisions this time around :-)

kozmikreis

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