Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:46291) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvs86-0003fQ-M0; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:26 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf1697109vbb.16 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XtVfZYJiUzyT/xb3+fE5TywwoieouJg6kBKsmQj4oL0=; b=iYSFqXSTXndl5cDoOc7her8bXEbXBAH7YZjP0LRGDkb7DzkSSqz1rYVKHi8RUlskAx nj5fyqtuVKpoJ8mgZL6bqEBrtocRbKRPcL1K9aCZw87o8OVQyF3D/P71b/CMG0Cjs2un 34WLY+ttqNmAbjuV0hp4OHLa6w7E51HsaTZUY= Received: by 10.52.19.235 with SMTP id i11mr932385vde.17.1328886668103; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.32.204 with SMTP id e12ls2007547ebd.2.gmail; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.78.201 with SMTP id g49mr14085616yhe.5.1328886665973; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.78.201 with SMTP id g49mr14085615yhe.5.1328886665965; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o45si2974942yhj.4.2012.02.10.07.11.05; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5686BB7F0 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:11:04 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] what about rodents? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:11:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201202101011.01679.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, February 10, 2012 09:46:47 Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > coi, > im wondering, why in the gismus there are mice, rats and rabbits but > not rodents in general? How would i for example refer to a beaver, a > porcupine or a squirrel? These are all rodents and not of the > superfamily muroidea. A hamster belongs to muroidea so there is no > real problem. But what about the others? I think that the gismu assigners went by what words are found in many languages rather than trying to distribute words well over the taxa. Similarly, we have gismu for duck, goose, chicken, and turkey, all of which are Galloanseres, but none for any other bird order, including the largest, Passeriformes (unless you count the experimental gismu "korvo"). And there are no gismu for species or kinds of fish. beaver = mudyractu porcupine = jesyractu squirrel = ricyractu hamster = kriceto guinea pig = smacrkobaiu chinchilla = tcincila "jesymabru" can refer to the hedgehog or spiny anteater; it does not designate a taxon. Rabbits aren't rodents; they differ in having small second incisors, whereas rodents have only first incisors. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.