Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:42167) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RwLrX-0008Mg-Sl; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:56:18 -0800 Received: by bkty15 with SMTP id y15sf5228139bkt.16 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:56:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jVRtYf78H6q8D3yekiNusM4/WjTmdUl7EJ2Mcy1vnEU=; b=kSVBkD8io7VHAmr6t72vP9g79L4GCvZWTL2w91iWDzwDGoJsv2j9o3KQ1EBmrL7JXF /NM3790Mgbla1uJwxfF/iZnIeYpcgrmy+kFWm6df6ESuNNACwyZxayDz5XcHMrdMQKkv NAPWty/kAbojV4yAJrOQHpAxYIgP5PbWa3JSg= Received: by 10.204.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr881848bkt.14.1329000961215; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls11110146bkb.0.gmail; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.129.137 with SMTP id hi9mr970847bkc.8.1329000959632; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.129.137 with SMTP id hi9mr970846bkc.8.1329000959532; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3si15484888bka.0.2012.02.11.14.55.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.49; Received: by laam7 with SMTP id m7so4011210laa.8 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.114.74 with SMTP id je10mr7399785lab.40.1329000959154; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.66.177 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201202111520.20738.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20120211171425.GS2167@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201202111520.20738.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the difference between gacri and drudi? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408d7ed1398de04b8b82618 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0408d7ed1398de04b8b82618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The roof and the ceiling are NEVER the same. The ceiling is the inside highest surface of an individual room, and the roof is the outside top surface of a whole building. stevo On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:14:25 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > x1 is a cover/[lid/top] for covering/concealing/sheltering x2. > > > > x1 is a roof/top/ceiling/lid of x2. "a drudi is (designed to be) > > over/above something and shelters it from other things above the > > drudi" > > > > So one's a lid or a cover that shelters things, and the other's a > > lid or a roof that shelters things? 0.o > > > > Are these straight-up synonyms or what? > > I'd say that lo drudi is fixed in place, whereas lo gacri isn't > necessarily. > > Also, English distinguishes a roof and a ceiling. A ceiling is the top > surface > of a room and is usually horizontal. A roof is the part that covers the > rest > of a building and is usually sloped. It is possible, but not common, for > the > roof and ceiling to be the same; usually the ceiling is under the roof, and > the space between them is the attic. If a building has several stories, > each > floor, except the lowest, is also a ceiling, but is not a roof. How do we > distinguish these in Lojban? > > Pierre > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0408d7ed1398de04b8b82618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The roof and the ceiling are NEVER the same. The ceiling is the inside high= est surface of an individual room, and the roof is the outside top surface = of a whole building.=A0

stevo

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
=
On Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:14:25 Robin Lee Powell = wrote:
> x1 is a cover/[lid/top] for covering/concealing/sheltering x2.
>
> x1 is a roof/top/ceiling/lid of x2. "a drudi is (designed to be)<= br> > over/above something and shelters it from other things above the
> drudi"
>
> So one's a lid or a cover that shelters things, and the other'= s a
> lid or a roof that shelters things? =A00.o
>
> Are these straight-up synonyms or what?

I'd say that lo drudi is fixed in place, whereas lo gacri isn'= ;t necessarily.

Also, English distinguishes a roof and a ceiling. A ceiling is the top surf= ace
of a room and is usually horizontal. A roof is the part that covers the res= t
of a building and is usually sloped. It is possible, but not common, for th= e
roof and ceiling to be the same; usually the ceiling is under the roof, and=
the space between them is the attic. If a building has several stories, eac= h
floor, except the lowest, is also a ceiling, but is not a roof. How do we distinguish these in Lojban?

Pierre
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gau do li'i co'e kei do

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