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On Sunday, February 12, 2012 07:05:38 Remo Dentato wrote:
> I suspect I don't have a correct understanding of interaction between
> the stressing rule and diphtongs.
>=20
> Let me give some example:
>=20
> balcU'e - {u} and {e} are on two separate syllable (but I couldn't
> tell if {'e} is a syllable!)
> bAlsoi - {oi} is a diphtong
> ca'Arcau - {au} is a diphtong
>=20
> I'm in doubt on which vowel of a diphtong the stress should be. The
> various example suggest that for diphtongs it should be:
>=20
> {Ai} {Au} {Ei} {Oi} {iA} {ie} {iI} {iO} {iU} {uA} {uE} {uO} {uI} {uU}
>=20
> but I don't know if it's a rule.
>=20
> I've also looked for words that had two consecutive vowel that were
> not a diphtong (e.g. {ae} or {eo}) but I couldn't find any. Are they
> ruled out or I just didn't look hardly enough?

I originally thought that, if a brivla ends in a diphthong but you pronounc=
e=20
it as two syllables, the stress goes on the first of two vowels in the=20
diphthong, e.g. "bal,s=F3,i". Xorxes disagreed. I changed my mind.

There are brivla and cmevla that contain two consecutive vowels that aren't=
 a=20
diphthong, e.g. bangrkorea (in the CLL), ma'aen (someone in Peace Child who=
se=20
name I lojbanized on the spot). All such brivla are fu'ivla.

As to which vowel of a diphthong, you are correct, and further {uY}, {iY}.=
=20
Brivla are always stressed on the default syllable, but cmevla aren't. The=
=20
rule for finding default stress is clear for brivla, but not for cmevla. I=
=20
think it should be like this:
1. Count all syllables whose nucleus is a vowel, diphthong, or triphthong (=
if=20
there are triphthongs, which isn't clear in the CLL) as one syllable even i=
f=20
the diphthong or triphthong is pronounced as two or three syllables. Ignore=
=20
syllabic consonants.
2. Start on the next-to-last syllable and move toward the beginning of the=
=20
word until you find a syllable whose nucleus isn't "y". If you find one, it=
 is=20
the default stressed syllable.
3. If you don't find one, but the last syllable's nucleus isn't "y", the la=
st=20
syllable is stressed.
4. If all syllables have nucleus "y", the stress is on the next-to-last=20
syllable.
5. If there isn't a next-to-last syllable, the stress is on the last, and=
=20
only, syllable.

Pierre
--=20
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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