Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:56197) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RwcyL-0006IN-MM; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:25 -0800 Received: by ghbg22 with SMTP id g22sf1797764ghb.16 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=flvhr135DOcYRqZygH1vRsBZT/uQ1GyK/DMbN95+ZN8=; b=2E1tlg8UsMNZNAiqUjn80WFh41W4FS2vWRssl7DJIr8Rl7bPFPX8TRO0g+WlPDHRJR ENW4am+Iqulmdv+TSbcYMwxJ2TTo/VeYPYVgsMSNouO9IzFHoRP8gEbeLHjMX/7tGIqE Rg2g0ODohzwlOA4tx+5zLVME2aqFMJ4RAmVgY= Received: by 10.236.116.66 with SMTP id f42mr1644413yhh.3.1329066732562; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.163.17 with SMTP id q17ls4386255ano.5.gmail; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.105.20 with SMTP id h20mr8399871anm.26.1329066731112; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.105.20 with SMTP id h20mr8399870anm.26.1329066731086; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e44si5383267yhk.0.2012.02.12.09.12.10; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A89121A9A for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:12:10 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] vowel and stress Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:12:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201202120811.10298.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201202121212.05119.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:33:53 Remo Dentato wrote: > {iY}. Oh! I thought that the schwa should never be stressed. A schwa by itself is not, by default, stressed unless all vowels in the wor= d=20 are schwas. A schwa in a diphthong can have the default stress. In Albanian, the schwa is a normal vowel and can be stressed. We may want t= o=20 borrow names from Albanian. > It should be pronounced {bangrkor=C4=8Da} right? I just realized I don't > know any rule to split up consonant clusters! > I would go with {bangr,ko,re,a} but I'm not sure. {ban,gr,ko,r=C3=A9,a}. The "r" is a syllabic consonant, which is ignored wh= en=20 placing stress. > Yes, I see that the explicit mark of accent is only needed for cmevla. True, though a cmavo can be accented on a non-default syllable and you may= =20 want to mark it in poetry. > Talking about this, I would really like to see the use of capitalized > syllable go away as a mean to mark the stress. We do have accents for > this (any accent would work). I understand that back in time, US > keyboards didn't have accented characters but now there should be no > reason. > I always found awkward to say "lojban alphabet only uses roman lower > case letters" just to have to say few moments later that also the > capital letters are used. If they are :( I agree. Pierre --=20 ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.