Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:42844) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwXt-0005aa-FS; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:26 -0800 Received: by wera13 with SMTP id a13sf13875977wer.16 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5R6kEEuMY7eY3ExdFpB46rg3pk5Tsc8nR+JQIAxArNc=; b=Vx6h1fwlwMexlSM2tJBYdiP5bcYWrpNFVXKm8kjB8N6TEq2OHBmD0PaRL5PR4DiqAV wg8pPkXNIk36KE/aWslFwmB6mBd+Q1ME0VJVJMnnTOclhoRwNHtoe6ZYbZwTTUBmq/Ou akoLTepU+YGK7Dup6+iiHUgU2STfQIsUUjJEM= Received: by 10.216.138.213 with SMTP id a63mr751100wej.27.1329141971347; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.47.78 with SMTP id s54ls956958eeb.2.canary; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.129.137 with SMTP id hi9mr1464439bkc.8.1329141969445; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.129.137 with SMTP id hi9mr1464438bkc.8.1329141969419; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3si23346748bka.0.2012.02.13.06.06.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.53; Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id it16so405732bkc.12 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.130 with SMTP id x2mr966847bkw.38.1329141969278; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.191.79 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <1175d027-7496-4143-9d14-763ded1f3c45@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <05D01DFA-5F70-4608-88D1-4714C6F2D486@gmail.com> <11396495.2099.1328290571980.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqks7> <9ff8b418-53f1-495d-bed7-69c922e441f2@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <10824171.2136.1328294490505.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoe12> <0B7A67C8-F579-4F17-B062-6B2C2E400BE2@lojban.org.uk> <0368DA75-45E9-4AE8-846D-0569C96C851F@lojban.org.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids' Show From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517592beeef598d04b8d8fa66 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001517592beeef598d04b8d8fa66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .ije na'oku lo casnu be lo lojbo se gunka cu se maldimna lo vitno ke relxima'e tersro nu cintypu'i ku .uenaisai --gejyspa On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I don't have a problem. I'm just saying it's not your art. Your work is a > collage, not a painting. > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In order for it >> to be >> > his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of the >> > artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the >> permission to >> > use it. His work was putting the parts together. >> >> Not sure what's your problem with this, ayonis. >> >> Maybe I gave the impression that I had a software doing all the work >> for me, but if you give a try to ComiPo (there's a trial version) >> you'll see that it's not exactly this way. >> >> For example, I'm not using stock backgrounds (the ones that come with >> the software) instead, for each panel I took one or more snapshots in >> SL from the angle I imagined the panel to be drawn. Then I process >> them in Gimp to make them match the tone of the characters. >> >> Characters have been customized to the extent that ComiPo allows it >> (which is not much, alas) and they need to be placed correctly to >> match the perspective of the snapshots taken in SL. >> >> You might also have noticed that the characters are not just placed in >> front of the background (as it often happens with this type of comics) >> but they are "embedded" into it, meaning that once the character is >> placed in the right position I have to export separate layers and make >> the "front" part emerge from the background. >> >> Also the lettering is done in Inkscape because the ComiPo support for >> lettering is very poor. >> >> I claim no artristry, but if I gave the impression that I have a way >> to instruct the computer to make comics on my behalf, that's not the >> case. I just wanted to create something looking decent, I think the >> process I've devised gives me the results I was looking for. >> >> remod >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 .ije na'oku lo casnu be lo lojbo se gunka cu se ma= ldimna lo vitno ke relxima'e tersro nu cintypu'i ku .uenaisai
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On = Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have a problem. I'm just say= ing it's not your art. Your work is a collage, not a painting.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at= 3:36 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
> That's an invalid statement. It isn't remod's artwork. In = order for it to be
> his, it would have to have been created by him. It wasn't. All of = the
> artwork was created by other people, remod merely paid for the permiss= ion to
> use it. His work was putting the parts together.

Not sure what's your problem with this, ayonis.

Maybe I gave the impression that I had a software doing all the work
for me, but if you give a try to ComiPo (there's a trial version)
you'll see that it's not exactly this way.

For example, I'm not using stock backgrounds (the ones that come with the software) instead, for each panel I took one or more snapshots in
SL from the angle I imagined the panel to be drawn. Then I process
them in Gimp to make them match the tone of the characters.

Characters have been customized to the extent that ComiPo allows it
(which is not much, alas) and they need to be placed correctly to
match the perspective of the snapshots taken in SL.

You might also have noticed that the characters are not just placed in
front of the background (as it often happens with this type of comics)
but they are "embedded" into it, meaning that once the character = is
placed in the right position I have to export separate layers and make
the "front" part emerge from the background.

Also the lettering is done in Inkscape because the ComiPo support for
lettering is very poor.

I claim no artristry, but if I gave the impression that I have a way
to instruct the computer to make comics on my behalf, that's not the case. I just wanted to create something looking decent, I think the
process I've devised gives me the results I was looking for.

remod

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