Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:52078) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rx0Zo-0000og-Ql; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:44 -0800 Received: by wibhj6 with SMTP id hj6sf16466352wib.16 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1v+GvY/x3IjSkKeS0fuctKKewWeg5ojDAw74OPxadF8=; b=sHoduWsiZpE9iLI5pLb61wTbaqZXt5QloKJ5edsnViqaF978eP0hU648j4J23AqKbK 3T/3t/J1c8E8C5lX2fjACa6MuYgvkHdWVwP/UvSJZP45YnWsQ72/+waO8oWseZ6fMA6L Cq1GOQem82yi+C+kg4w62RDFnnfDc9FqnovKk= Received: by 10.180.94.133 with SMTP id dc5mr2805337wib.1.1329157466870; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.74.112 with SMTP id s16ls221433wiv.9.canary; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.136.37 with SMTP id v37mr827454wei.1.1329157466302; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.136.37 with SMTP id v37mr827453wei.1.1329157466285; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7si9655819wid.1.2012.02.13.10.24.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by mail-ww0-f41.google.com with SMTP id dt11so2627877wgb.2 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.90.225 with SMTP id bz1mr20082350wib.5.1329157466199; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.102.8 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <66cfb6ef-0f9b-4e54-916c-9895f3d8bb09@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com> References: <5fa921d5-666c-4d10-b450-9bfd91bc02cb@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <201202052047.32864.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201202061358.31103.phma@phma.optus.nu> <2093A42C-9A61-4639-8988-8B76B0E78534@lojban.org.uk> <66cfb6ef-0f9b-4e54-916c-9895f3d8bb09@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com> From: Sid Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:53:46 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids' Show/Comic To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Well, in my experience, good visual novels generally have fairly involved plots, usually about the interactions between characters (naturally, since most dialogue is spoken/thought); they usually end up being very touching and emotional. The kids show plot, in comparison, seems a bit...middling. Additionally, most people who're going to read this are adults -- while they might read the game to help with their Lojban learning, wouldn't it be better to make something that has an engaging plot and story? Something that would really *motivate* them to continue reading, to see what happens next -- and if you want to see what happens next, you have to learn Lojban. That seems like a better way of going about things, to me. On 13 February 2012 23:36, kozmikreis wrote: > That's an interesting question, I'm not sure how to answer that > without more feedback. =A0I would be very interested to hear your views > (and everyone else's) on what does or doesn't make my original plot > real/enjoyable/intended for children. > > For those who haven't seen it, the draft and links to the other docs > can be found at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Figgelppx0xep5HC7GRC= onr445BHq3Oycb6uAB8tL2Y/edit > > kozmikreis > > On Feb 13, 5:49=A0pm, Sid wrote: >> IMO, I'm a bit iffy on the "kids show" premise and plot. Why not make >> it an actual visual novel, with a real plot, that people can enjoy? Or >> is this actually intended for children? >> >> mi'e cntr >> >> On 12 February 2012 06:21, kozmikreis wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Widening the net on finding a character artist, I'm guessing most peop= le will know someone outside Lojbanic circles who is good at drawing. =A0Ca= n I ask you to ask the artists in your life to consider doing artwork for a= project that can, in return, give them: >> >> > * Credit for their work, and a link. >> > * A talking point in their portfolio. >> > * Multilingual exposure. >> > * Better sleep at night knowing they've done good in the world :-) >> >> > The work required is not all that intense - we will be wanting images = of characters emoting and in some differing postures, angles and attire, bu= t they only get overlaid on the backgrounds at runtime and are re-used. >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > kozmikreis >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googl= egroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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