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I think even that happening once in a while is ok.  One of my co-workers is
German who I would say is fluent in English but who every now and then will
stop and have to ask "what is that word that means...".

I think it's unreasonable to say that a person isn't fluent just because
they don't know every word.

I think commonness of the word has to come into play.  If a person
struggles to remember the word "person" I'd say they're not fluent but a
person who struggles to remember "aggregate" could definitely be "fluent".

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:17:36PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
> > You are not fluent in Lojban, based on what you described.
>
> To be ultra-clear: I'm *not* fluent, I just don't think that what I
> actually described is sufficient to clearly, cut-and-dried determine
> that.
>
> How I now I'm not fluent is that I'm sitting there going "Now, wait,
> what's the place structure of julne again?  Oh, hmm, was it julne or
> junle?", and that sort of shit.
>
> -Robin
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I think even that happening once in a while is ok. =A0One of my co-workers =
is German who I would say is fluent in English but who every now and then w=
ill stop and have to ask &quot;what is that word that means...&quot;.<div>

<br></div><div>I think it&#39;s unreasonable to say that a person isn&#39;t=
 fluent just because they don&#39;t know every word.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I think commonness of the word has to come into play. =A0If a person str=
uggles to remember the word &quot;person&quot; I&#39;d say they&#39;re not =
fluent but a person who struggles to remember &quot;aggregate&quot; could d=
efinitely be &quot;fluent&quot;.<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Robin Lee P=
owell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">=
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:17:36PM +0100, selpa&#39;i wro=
te:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; You are not fluent in Lojban, based on what yo=
u described.<br>
<br>
</div>To be ultra-clear: I&#39;m *not* fluent, I just don&#39;t think that =
what I<br>
actually described is sufficient to clearly, cut-and-dried determine<br>
that.<br>
<br>
How I now I&#39;m not fluent is that I&#39;m sitting there going &quot;Now,=
 wait,<br>
what&#39;s the place structure of julne again? =A0Oh, hmm, was it julne or<=
br>
junle?&quot;, and that sort of shit.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Robin<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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