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My level of issues there are bad enough that I'd refuse the term
"fluent" at this time, but I'm getting there.  :)

-Robin

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 05:51:13PM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> Not remembering words is not a sign of non-fluency. It happens to native
> speakers all the time. And to me, 'native' implies 'fluent'.
> 
> stevo
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I think even that happening once in a while is ok.  One of my co-workers
> > is German who I would say is fluent in English but who every now and then
> > will stop and have to ask "what is that word that means...".
> >
> > I think it's unreasonable to say that a person isn't fluent just because
> > they don't know every word.
> >
> > I think commonness of the word has to come into play.  If a person
> > struggles to remember the word "person" I'd say they're not fluent but a
> > person who struggles to remember "aggregate" could definitely be "fluent".
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:17:36PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
> >> > You are not fluent in Lojban, based on what you described.
> >>
> >> To be ultra-clear: I'm *not* fluent, I just don't think that what I
> >> actually described is sufficient to clearly, cut-and-dried determine
> >> that.
> >>
> >> How I now I'm not fluent is that I'm sitting there going "Now, wait,
> >> what's the place structure of julne again?  Oh, hmm, was it julne or
> >> junle?", and that sort of shit.
> >>
> >> -Robin
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