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nar- is also really the only mechanism we have for constructing positive
predicates of the form ~P, which are important for things like quantifier
negation. Example:
ro da na broda .ijo su'o da narbroda

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Sunday, February 12, 2012 23:04:07 Jacob Errington wrote:
> > In perusing the wordlists, I noticed that [na] has a rafsi, [nar].
> > What exactly is the point of this rafsi? It seems like no defined lujvo
> use
> > it.
> > What is its interaction with [na] outside the lujvo?
> > What happens it it's used lujvo-internally: [rodnarbrode] ?
>
> It's pretty close in meaning to "nal-". Possible differences are:
> *"nalviska" implies having eyes but being unable to see, or having no sight
> but other senses, whereas "narviska" means simply not seeing. So I'd
> describe
> a table as "narviska", but not "nalviska".
> *If "nar-" is followed by more than one rafsi, it negates the whole
> following
> string of rafsi, whereas if "nal-" is followed by more than one rafsi, it
> negates just the next one, or just the seltau.
>
> Pierre
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nar- is also really the only mechanism we have for constructing positive predicates of the form ~P, which are important for things like quantifier negation. Example:<br>ro da na broda .ijo su&#39;o da narbroda<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Sunday, February 12, 2012 23:04:07 Jacob Errington wrote:<br>
&gt; In perusing the wordlists, I noticed that [na] has a rafsi, [nar].<br>
&gt; What exactly is the point of this rafsi? It seems like no defined lujvo use<br>
&gt; it.<br>
&gt; What is its interaction with [na] outside the lujvo?<br>
&gt; What happens it it&#39;s used lujvo-internally: [rodnarbrode] ?<br>
<br>
</div>It&#39;s pretty close in meaning to &quot;nal-&quot;. Possible differences are:<br>
*&quot;nalviska&quot; implies having eyes but being unable to see, or having no sight<br>
but other senses, whereas &quot;narviska&quot; means simply not seeing. So I&#39;d describe<br>
a table as &quot;narviska&quot;, but not &quot;nalviska&quot;.<br>
*If &quot;nar-&quot; is followed by more than one rafsi, it negates the whole following<br>
string of rafsi, whereas if &quot;nal-&quot; is followed by more than one rafsi, it<br>
negates just the next one, or just the seltau.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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