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I... see.
I think I'll need to reread chapter 16 a few times and then maybe see if
this question still applies.

ki'e i mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 16 February 2012 20:17, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> nar- is also really the only mechanism we have for constructing positive
> predicates of the form ~P, which are important for things like quantifier
> negation. Example:
> ro da na broda .ijo su'o da narbroda
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2012 23:04:07 Jacob Errington wrote:
>> > In perusing the wordlists, I noticed that [na] has a rafsi, [nar].
>> > What exactly is the point of this rafsi? It seems like no defined lujvo
>> use
>> > it.
>> > What is its interaction with [na] outside the lujvo?
>> > What happens it it's used lujvo-internally: [rodnarbrode] ?
>>
>> It's pretty close in meaning to "nal-". Possible differences are:
>> *"nalviska" implies having eyes but being unable to see, or having no
>> sight
>> but other senses, whereas "narviska" means simply not seeing. So I'd
>> describe
>> a table as "narviska", but not "nalviska".
>> *If "nar-" is followed by more than one rafsi, it negates the whole
>> following
>> string of rafsi, whereas if "nal-" is followed by more than one rafsi, it
>> negates just the next one, or just the seltau.
>>
>> Pierre
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I... see.<div>I think I&#39;ll need to reread chapter 16 a few times and th=
en maybe see if this question still applies.</div><div><br></div><div>ki&#3=
9;e i mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

On 16 February 2012 20:17, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

nar- is also really the only mechanism we have for constructing positive pr=
edicates of the form ~P, which are important for things like quantifier neg=
ation. Example:<br>ro da na broda .ijo su&#39;o da narbroda<div class=3D"HO=
EnZb">

<div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div>On Sunday, February 12, 2012 23:04:07 Jacob Errington wrote:<br>
&gt; In perusing the wordlists, I noticed that [na] has a rafsi, [nar].<br>
&gt; What exactly is the point of this rafsi? It seems like no defined lujv=
o use<br>
&gt; it.<br>
&gt; What is its interaction with [na] outside the lujvo?<br>
&gt; What happens it it&#39;s used lujvo-internally: [rodnarbrode] ?<br>
<br>
</div>It&#39;s pretty close in meaning to &quot;nal-&quot;. Possible differ=
ences are:<br>
*&quot;nalviska&quot; implies having eyes but being unable to see, or havin=
g no sight<br>
but other senses, whereas &quot;narviska&quot; means simply not seeing. So =
I&#39;d describe<br>
a table as &quot;narviska&quot;, but not &quot;nalviska&quot;.<br>
*If &quot;nar-&quot; is followed by more than one rafsi, it negates the who=
le following<br>
string of rafsi, whereas if &quot;nal-&quot; is followed by more than one r=
afsi, it<br>
negates just the next one, or just the seltau.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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