Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:63246) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RyTDs-0006Rn-AQ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:12:05 -0800 Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39sf4377347qaf.16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IFl3/VWCrJKyOtwuaR1j30x9knldsafYYNvMwe+eWQI=; b=tNV+rwvZ2pq1tL+QVZRW1P0Jidm2dOrXALEHY+NQ4QSyJrZNH0CKqOx0PFYWHvUo8W 2EiTfoKaUaaglmHd6g7mJ7rlF8+4m8azNRynuy2LRGT1msICs3GicmxH7UQcXfRhFAmr 17FjCu3VY/UJl7aJDGK+MeW3kO/BM1RMgRFeo= Received: by 10.229.77.132 with SMTP id g4mr777582qck.11.1329505285736; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:01:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.14.152 with SMTP id g24ls5904614qca.4.gmail; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.192.164 with SMTP id i24mr13844305yhn.8.1329505284955; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.192.164 with SMTP id i24mr13844303yhn.8.1329505284943; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z63si5618088yhg.5.2012.02.17.11.01.23; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 137B61CD4E for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:01:23 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] telgau Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:01:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201202171401.18594.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 01:20:37 MorphemeAddict wrote: > Are all these definitions in {lojbo jufsisku} right? I'm > wondering specifically about "telgau" and related forms. > telga'o > *lujvo* g1=s2 is locked, preventing access to g2 by g3, the lock being s1 > using mechanism s3. Cf. stela, ganlo, telgau, ga'orgau. > > telgau > *lujvo* g1 locks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3. > Cf. stela, gasnu, telga'o, ga'orgau. > > telcaugau > *lujvo* g1 unlocks/unseals c1=s2 using lock/seal s1 with mechnism s3. > Cf. stela, claxu, gasnu, toltelgau, telga'o, ga'orgau. > > toltelgau > *lujvo* g1 unlocks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3. > Cf. to'e, stela, gasnu, telgau, telga'o, telcaugau, kargau. I think "lock" and "unlock" should be "telga'ogau" and "telkargau". "telgau", I think, should mean "to put a lock on", that is, if you have a door with a hole for a lock, you put a lock in it. "telcaugau" would then mean "to make something lockless", and "toltelgau" makes me wonder what a "tolstela" (an unlock?) is. (There are two prefixes "un-" in English; one is from "*anti" and may be closer in meaning to "fat-", and the other is from "*ne" and means "tol-" or "nal-". Some words, such as "untied", can have either and it's sometimes hard to tell which.) Something can have a lock and not be locked. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.