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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 01:20:37 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> > Are all these definitions in {lojbo jufsisku} right? I'm
> > wondering specifically about "telgau" and related forms.
> > telga'o
> > *lujvo* g1=s2 is locked, preventing access to g2 by g3, the lock being s1
> > using mechanism s3. Cf. stela, ganlo, telgau, ga'orgau.
> >
> > telgau
> > *lujvo* g1 locks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3.
> > Cf. stela, gasnu, telga'o, ga'orgau.
> >
> > telcaugau
> > *lujvo* g1 unlocks/unseals c1=s2 using lock/seal s1 with mechnism s3.
> > Cf. stela, claxu, gasnu, toltelgau, telga'o, ga'orgau.
> >
> > toltelgau
> > *lujvo* g1 unlocks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3.
> > Cf. to'e, stela, gasnu, telgau, telga'o, telcaugau, kargau.
>
> I think "lock" and "unlock" should be "telga'ogau" and "telkargau".
> "telgau",
> I think, should mean "to put a lock on", that is, if you have a door with a
> hole for a lock, you put a lock in it. "telcaugau" would then mean "to make
> something lockless", and "toltelgau" makes me wonder what a "tolstela" (an
> unlock?) is. (There are two prefixes "un-" in English; one is from "*anti"
> and
> may be closer in meaning to "fat-", and the other is from "*ne" and means
> "tol-" or "nal-". Some words, such as "untied", can have either and it's
> sometimes hard to tell which.) Something can have a lock and not be locked.
>
> Pierre
>

How does "gasnu" fit into the words for 'lock' or 'unlock' or 'add a lock
to', i.e., telgau, toltelgau, telcaugau. It seems to me that the "gau"
component should be "ga'o", but there is a separate word "telga'o", not
equal to "telgau".

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Pierre =
Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma=
.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 01:20:37 MorphemeAddict wro=
te:<br>
&gt; Are all these definitions in {lojbo jufsisku} right? I&#39;m<br>
&gt; wondering specifically about &quot;telgau&quot; and related forms.<br>
&gt; telga&#39;o<br>
</div>&gt; *lujvo* g1=3Ds2 is locked, preventing access to g2 by g3, the lo=
ck being s1<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; using mechanism s3. Cf. stela, ganlo, telgau, ga&#39=
;orgau.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; telgau<br>
</div>&gt; *lujvo* g1 locks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Cf. stela, gasnu, telga&#39;o, ga&#39;orgau.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; telcaugau<br>
</div>&gt; *lujvo* g1 unlocks/unseals c1=3Ds2 using lock/seal s1 with mechn=
ism s3.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Cf. stela, claxu, gasnu, toltelgau, telga&#39;o, ga&=
#39;orgau.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; toltelgau<br>
</div>&gt; *lujvo* g1 unlocks lock s1 on s2 by mechanism s3.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Cf. to&#39;e, stela, gasnu, telgau, telga&#39;o, tel=
caugau, kargau.<br>
<br>
</div>I think &quot;lock&quot; and &quot;unlock&quot; should be &quot;telga=
&#39;ogau&quot; and &quot;telkargau&quot;. &quot;telgau&quot;,<br>
I think, should mean &quot;to put a lock on&quot;, that is, if you have a d=
oor with a<br>
hole for a lock, you put a lock in it. &quot;telcaugau&quot; would then mea=
n &quot;to make<br>
something lockless&quot;, and &quot;toltelgau&quot; makes me wonder what a =
&quot;tolstela&quot; (an<br>
unlock?) is. (There are two prefixes &quot;un-&quot; in English; one is fro=
m &quot;*anti&quot; and<br>
may be closer in meaning to &quot;fat-&quot;, and the other is from &quot;*=
ne&quot; and means<br>
&quot;tol-&quot; or &quot;nal-&quot;. Some words, such as &quot;untied&quot=
;, can have either and it&#39;s<br>
sometimes hard to tell which.) Something can have a lock and not be locked.=
<br>
<br></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Pierre<br></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>How does &quot;gasnu&quot; fit into the words for &#39;lock=
&#39; or &#39;unlock&#39; or &#39;add a lock to&#39;, i.e., telgau, toltelg=
au, telcaugau. It seems to me that the &quot;gau&quot; component should be =
&quot;ga&#39;o&quot;, but there is a separate word &quot;telga&#39;o&quot;,=
 not equal to &quot;telgau&quot;.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br class=
=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
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