Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:54755) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RyW80-0007Ly-AQ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:18:12 -0800 Received: by yhgg71 with SMTP id g71sf3993863yhg.16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GRAznZOMQj6HYkXaCfe4G8/vtYUHEncV0JWu5PaExWA=; b=7C1ss29zMDNqonDKs+VAxV9TTB7IzbIq/YWw85CBz79VYwVGt1rii4rkkkDBDuobnU zH0aT9W4HzrQ7U6yeQaF58Fqbat/bq5pzTRXbqwFs+1JFNaqs5Fw4P2BJJyfiWEZqFhA XGTh0BYAo/NPCht4Wbq4DzMBSurSoQtjow2Ic= Received: by 10.236.156.73 with SMTP id l49mr532818yhk.15.1329517079603; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.168.4 with SMTP id v4ls731221ano.6.gmail; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.137.14 with SMTP id p14mr4695724ann.2.1329517078968; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.137.14 with SMTP id p14mr4695723ann.2.1329517078951; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g10si5873740yhn.7.2012.02.17.14.17.58; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A04420901 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] telgau Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201202171401.18594.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201202171717.31608.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, February 17, 2012 15:08:04 MorphemeAddict wrote: > How does "gasnu" fit into the words for 'lock' or 'unlock' or 'add a lock > to', i.e., telgau, toltelgau, telcaugau. It seems to me that the "gau" > component should be "ga'o", but there is a separate word "telga'o", not > equal to "telgau". "-gau" usually means "x1 makes that (whatever comes before gau, with its=20 places shifted by 1)". x2 of "gasnu" is an event, which is the abstraction = of=20 whatever comes before "gau". So: stela: x1 is a lock on x2 with mechanism x3 telgau: x1 makes x2 be a lock on x3 with mechanism x4. "telgau", as I interpret it, does not imply that x3 is locked. A locksmith= =20 takes a door which does not have a lock and puts a lock in it: that's=20 "telgau". I put the key in the lock and turn it so that the door cannot be= =20 opened without the key: that's "telga'ogau". The door cannot be opened with= out=20 the key: that's "telga'o". Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.