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2012/2/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> >  By my rules and by vlatai
> > it is, but I'm not sure about xorxes's rules, because the "n" could be
> > syllabic.
>
> Here's a recap on my views on Lojban syllables:
>
> There are 64 valid consonantal syllables:
>
> bl cl dl fl gl jl kl ml nl pl rl sl tl vl xl zl
> bm cm dm fm gm jm km lm nm pm rm sm tm vm xm zm
> bn cn dn fn gn jn kn ln mn pn rn sn tn vn xn zn
> br cr dr fr gr jr kr lr mr nr pr sr tr vr xr zr
>
> There are (2 + 36 + 4 + 97) x 10 x 18 =3D 25020 valid vocalic syllables.
>
> Each vocalic syllable consists of onset + nucleus + coda.
>
> There are 18 codas: b, c, d, f, g, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t v, x, z and
> empty.
> There are 10 nuclei: a, e, i, o, u, ai, au, ei, oi, y
> There are 139 onsets, which we can divide into 4 groups:
>
> 2 special onsets: . and '
> (These are special in that . can only occur at the beginning of a
> word, and ' can only occur in the middle of a word, so in a sense they
> are complementary and could eventually be considered the same onset
> expressed differently in different contexts.)
>
> 36 approximant onsets:
> i, bi, ci, di, fi, gi, ji, ki, li, mi, ni, pi, ri, si, ti, vi, xi, zi
> u, bu, cu, du, fu, ju, ku, lu, mu, nu, pu, ru, su, tu, vu, xu, zu
>
> 4 affricate onsets: dj, dz, tc, ts
>
> 97 ordinary onsets, consisting of 1, 2 or 3 consonants each taken in
> order from the following groups:
> [c, j, s, z] [b, d, f, g, k, m, n, p, t, v, x] [l, r]
>
> with the following constraints:
> - a voiced consonant from the first group cannot be followed by an
> unvoiced one from the second, and viceversa.
> - s, c cannot be followed by x
> - j, z cannot be followed by n or l
> - d, t cannot be followed by l
> - n cannot be followed by l, r
>

What's the justification for these last four constraints?

stevo

>
> So in all I have 25020 vocalic  + 64 consonantal =3D 25084 valid syllable=
s.
>
> This number increases considerably if we allow double-consonant codas.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; =A0By my rules and by vlatai<br>
&gt; it is, but I&#39;m not sure about xorxes&#39;s rules, because the &quo=
t;n&quot; could be<br>
&gt; syllabic.<br>
<br>
</div>Here&#39;s a recap on my views on Lojban syllables:<br>
<br>
There are 64 valid consonantal syllables:<br>
<br>
bl cl dl fl gl jl kl ml nl pl rl sl tl vl xl zl<br>
bm cm dm fm gm jm km lm nm pm rm sm tm vm xm zm<br>
bn cn dn fn gn jn kn ln mn pn rn sn tn vn xn zn<br>
br cr dr fr gr jr kr lr mr nr pr sr tr vr xr zr<br>
<br>
There are (2 + 36 + 4 + 97) x 10 x 18 =3D 25020 valid vocalic syllables.<br=
>
<br>
Each vocalic syllable consists of onset + nucleus + coda.<br>
<br>
There are 18 codas: b, c, d, f, g, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t v, x, z and em=
pty.<br>
There are 10 nuclei: a, e, i, o, u, ai, au, ei, oi, y<br>
There are 139 onsets, which we can divide into 4 groups:<br>
<br>
2 special onsets: . and &#39;<br>
(These are special in that . can only occur at the beginning of a<br>
word, and &#39; can only occur in the middle of a word, so in a sense they<=
br>
are complementary and could eventually be considered the same onset<br>
expressed differently in different contexts.)<br>
<br>
36 approximant onsets:<br>
i, bi, ci, di, fi, gi, ji, ki, li, mi, ni, pi, ri, si, ti, vi, xi, zi<br>
u, bu, cu, du, fu, ju, ku, lu, mu, nu, pu, ru, su, tu, vu, xu, zu<br>
<br>
4 affricate onsets: dj, dz, tc, ts<br>
<br>
97 ordinary onsets, consisting of 1, 2 or 3 consonants each taken in<br>
order from the following groups:<br>
[c, j, s, z] [b, d, f, g, k, m, n, p, t, v, x] [l, r]<br>
<br>
with the following constraints:<br>
- a voiced consonant from the first group cannot be followed by an<br>
unvoiced one from the second, and viceversa.<br>
- s, c cannot be followed by x<br>
- j, z cannot be followed by n or l<br>
- d, t cannot be followed by l<br>
- n cannot be followed by l, r<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What&#39=
;s the justification for these last four constraints?</div><div><br></div><=
div>stevo=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<br>
So in all I have 25020 vocalic =A0+ 64 consonantal =3D 25084 valid syllable=
s.<br>
<br>
This number increases considerably if we allow double-consonant codas.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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