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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:06:33 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>>
>> 2 special onsets: . and '
>> (These are special in that . can only occur at the beginning of a
>> word, and ' can only occur in the middle of a word, so in a sense they
>> are complementary and could eventually be considered the same onset
>> expressed differently in different contexts.)
>
> But there are minimal pairs such as "na.e" and "na'e".

Those are the two contexts I was talking about: beginning of a word,
and middle of a word.

>> [c, j, s, z] [b, d, f, g, k, m, n, p, t, v, x] [l, r]
>>
>> - a voiced consonant from the first group cannot be followed by an
>> unvoiced one from the second, and viceversa.
>
> What about "smadi"? m and n are voiced, but can be preceded by an unvoice=
d
> sibilant.

In the Lojban classification, "l", "m", "n" and "r", don't count as
either voiced or unvoiced, they can mix with both.

>> So in all I have 25020 vocalic =A0+ 64 consonantal =3D 25084 valid sylla=
bles.
>>
>> This number increases considerably if we allow double-consonant codas.
>
> Which double-consonant codas would you allow?

None.

> I think that any double-
> consonant that can occur in a word should be allowed at the end of a word=
 (so
> that we can use names formed by dropping the last letter of a gismu) and =
any
> double-consonant that can occur in a word and whose first letter is r, n,=
 l, or
> m should be allowed as a coda within a word.

That's a possible rule, but I prefer simpler syllables.

> Back to the fish, if I take the Ojibwa "maashkinoozhe" and drop the "maa"=
, I
> get "ckinoje" as a fu'ivla. How's that sound?

Sounds fine to me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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