Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:33811) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rz34Y-00006O-DM; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:51 -0800 Received: by eaaj10 with SMTP id j10sf4034920eaa.16 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :message-id:date:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WvBZu6rXAaH2FcxdOxJnrtI7RkUGqxWFvH5lGgqWsak=; b=1a/Yzm46so3Jy6K5uc7JBS1sD4s1Jk9ewTcOh2H6/THha7YG3/AU3Dqs8+6BGg2TyI iB5UnlKsU4tgmbXj3Nn81gwkELIDaDNQeGGOz+yGe5IAQV6Rt+no3LDP7KLGKtTNZLOH cqQEwSQPo3rH/dYhwBXeWqM7a9ZwaCaF/JSZA= Received: by 10.216.133.42 with SMTP id p42mr287609wei.9.1329643716267; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.98.41 with SMTP id ef9ls1803wib.6.gmail; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.24.69 with SMTP id s5mr619353wif.0.1329643714601; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.24.69 with SMTP id s5mr619352wif.0.1329643714590; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f199.google.com (mail-wi0-f199.google.com [209.85.212.199]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci2si4935736wib.0.2012.02.19.01.28.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.199 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.199; Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so1926356wib.2 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 10.180.7.138 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.7.138; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.7.138]) by 10.180.7.138 with SMTP id j10mr715159wia.1.1329643714567 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.7.138 with SMTP id j10mr619285wia.1.1329643714397; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:28:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe From: rdentato@gmail.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.199 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044287ca46463304b94dcd17 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044287ca46463304b94dcd17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Il giorno , Jacob Errington ha scritto: > For starters, what is the meaning of a kakne where kakne1 doesn't appear > in the kakne2 event? > {i mi kakne lo nu do citka ci lo plise} -- "I am capable of you eating > three apples?" I thought that the "innately" aspect was no longer to be considered. I don't know if it's something that will be changed in the next release of CLL. Personally, but I might be very wrong, I interpret {ko'a kakne lo nu broda} to mean that {ko'a} is able to make {lo nu broda} true (regardless of whether {ko'a} will make it really true or not). {mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I'm able to make you eat an apple" I made it as a parallel to {gasnu}: {mi gasnu lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I make you eat an apple" Again, I might be wrong. I guess I'll find out soon. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d044287ca46463304b94dcd17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Il giorno , Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> For starters, what is the meaning of a kakne where kakne1 doesn'= ;t appear in the kakne2 event?
> {i mi kakne lo nu do citka ci lo p= lise} -- "I am capable of you eating three apples?"

I = thought that the "innately" aspect was no longer to be considered= . I don't know if it's something that will be changed in the next r= elease of CLL.

Personally, but I might be very wrong, I interpre= t {ko'a kakne lo nu broda} to mean that {ko'a} is able to make {lo = nu broda} true (regardless of whether {ko'a} will make it really true o= r not).

{mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I'm = able to make you eat an apple"

I made it as a parallel to {= gasnu}:

{mi gasnu lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I make y= ou eat an apple"

Again, I might be wrong. I guess I'll = find out soon.

remod

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