Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:43414) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RzR60-0007Nf-QI; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:57 -0800 Received: by vcbfo11 with SMTP id fo11sf6053136vcb.16 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QAl03rnEJolmCl5KleO/Vorr3pyHNIDzuQjHg3BtnKY=; b=o+4dwrdNkcIxZbxkxFjvZHF6YrrZ7m6dHIhbDBzSA67u0QXLOTeOIZwd1ImdRTsPUI 0NTOyhpDa+nG+0XjGyagHdw/a+ez+HhqUzAg2NlX6onXRuzZ/91ROvCUMp8Rjez67kcb mmBZk7L2+r8MwwOoH6Zot+7fffqDmanlt9vM0= Received: by 10.52.25.14 with SMTP id y14mr1632179vdf.0.1329736063713; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.29.200 with SMTP id m8ls3252594vdh.6.gmail; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.65.176 with SMTP id y16mr2405096vds.4.1329736062859; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.65.176 with SMTP id y16mr2405095vds.4.1329736062847; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f49.google.com (mail-vw0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y2si5897709vdt.3.2012.02.20.03.07.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.49; Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19so4456481vbb.36 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 10.220.157.83 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.220.157.83; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.220.157.83]) by 10.220.157.83 with SMTP id a19mr12204052vcx.54.1329736062793 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.157.83 with SMTP id a19mr9762550vcx.54.1329736062737; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.136 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:07:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c07beaa1f5404b9634dc4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d043c07beaa1f5404b9634dc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's a great parallel! It certainly clears things up. I didn't know that the "innately" thing was deprecated, that too makes stuff clearer. ki'e mu'o mi'e la tsani On 19 February 2012 04:28, wrote: > Il giorno , Jacob Errington ha scritto: > > > > For starters, what is the meaning of a kakne where kakne1 doesn't appear > in the kakne2 event? > > {i mi kakne lo nu do citka ci lo plise} -- "I am capable of you eating > three apples?" > > I thought that the "innately" aspect was no longer to be considered. I > don't know if it's something that will be changed in the next release of > CLL. > > Personally, but I might be very wrong, I interpret {ko'a kakne lo nu > broda} to mean that {ko'a} is able to make {lo nu broda} true (regardless > of whether {ko'a} will make it really true or not). > > {mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I'm able to make you eat an apple" > > I made it as a parallel to {gasnu}: > > {mi gasnu lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I make you eat an apple" > > Again, I might be wrong. I guess I'll find out soon. > > remod > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d043c07beaa1f5404b9634dc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a great parallel! It certainly clears things up.
I didn'= t know that the "innately" thing was deprecated, that too makes s= tuff clearer.

ki'e mu'o mi'e la tsani<= br>
On 19 February 2012 04:28, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno , Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> For starters, what is the meaning of a kakne where kakne1 doesn'= t appear in the kakne2 event?
> {i mi kakne lo nu do citka ci lo plise} -- "I am capable of you e= ating three apples?"

I thought that the "innately&qu= ot; aspect was no longer to be considered. I don't know if it's som= ething that will be changed in the next release of CLL.

Personally, but I might be very wrong, I interpret {ko'a kakne lo n= u broda} to mean that {ko'a} is able to make {lo nu broda} true (regard= less of whether {ko'a} will make it really true or not).

{mi ka= kne lo nu do citka lo plise} -> "I'm able to make you eat an ap= ple"

I made it as a parallel to {gasnu}:

{mi gasnu lo nu do citka lo= plise} -> "I make you eat an apple"

Again, I might be = wrong. I guess I'll find out soon.

remod

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