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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_12934718_AHjHjkQAAI90T0JkYQaDYhXFbbw Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the difference between gacri and drudi? Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:43:24 -0600 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.161 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--741911654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-1--741911654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice! I summed up as:drudi is to keep something out, gadri to keep somethin= g in. Sent from my iPad On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Michael Turniansky wro= te: > Getting back to Robin's original question, no, they are not synonyms, a= lthough they can have some areas of overlap. Here is how I would different= iate them. YMMV: >=20 > A drudi is always above the se drudi. A gadri need not be above the s= e gadri (e.g. a bottlecap is still a gadri, even when the bottle is held up= side down) >=20 > A drudi may or may not be physically attached to the se drudi. A gadr= i when in use is attached to the se gadri (e.g. a tarp stretched over a flo= wer patch is still a drudi) >=20 > A drudi has a specific main purpose of protecting the se drudi from so= mething (which should probably be a te drudi, but the slot doesn't exist). = A gadri can serve many purposes, such as preserving something inside the s= e gadri or hiding the se gadri (or its contents) from observation. >=20 > A drudi is normally a fixed structure relative to se drudi, which is i= n turn usually a fixed structure (although the drdi may be retractable or r= emovable, and probably vehicles posses a drudi rather than a gadri, althoug= h I'm not sure. galpau might be more accurate). A gadri on the other hand = is usually designed to be removed from time to time and the se gadri is ver= y possibly portable. >=20 > --gejyspa >=20 > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >=20 > x1 is a cover/[lid/top] for covering/concealing/sheltering x2. >=20 > x1 is a roof/top/ceiling/lid of x2. "a drudi is (designed to be) > over/above something and shelters it from other things above the > drudi" >=20 > So one's a lid or a cover that shelters things, and the other's a > lid or a roof that shelters things? 0.o >=20 > Are these straight-up synonyms or what? >=20 > -Robin >=20 > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni = li'u >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Nice! I summed up as:drudi is to keep = something out, gadri to keep something in.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=
  Getting b= ack to Robin's original question, no, they are not synonyms, although they = can have some areas of overlap.  Here is how I would differentiate the= m.  YMMV:

   A drudi is always above the = se drudi.  A gadri need not be above the se gadri (e.g. a bottlecap is= still a gadri, even when the bottle is held upside down)

   A drudi may or may not be physically attac= hed to the se drudi.  A gadri when in use is attached to the se gadri = (e.g. a tarp stretched over a flower patch is still a drudi)

=
   A drudi has a specific main purpose of protecting the se drudi= from something (which should probably be a te drudi, but the slot doesn't = exist).  A gadri can serve many purposes, such as preserving something= inside the se gadri or hiding the se gadri (or its contents) from observat= ion.

   A drudi is normally a fixed structure relative to se drudi= , which is in turn usually a fixed structure (although the drdi may be retr= actable or removable, and probably vehicles posses a drudi rather than a ga= dri, although I'm not sure. galpau might be more accurate).  A gadri o= n the other hand is usually designed to be removed from time to time and th= e se gadri is very possibly portable.

               =         --gejyspa

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Robin Lee = Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:

x1 is a cover/[lid/top] for covering/concealing/sheltering x2.

x1 is a roof/top/ceiling/lid of x2. "a drudi is (designed to be)
over/above something and shelters it from other things above the
drudi"

So one's a lid or a cover that shelters things, and the other's a
lid or a roof that shelters things?  0.o

Are these straight-up synonyms or what?

-Robin

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