Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:45957) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RzaBa-0004iA-Vw; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:19 -0800 Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39sf7726826qaf.16 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ljkEbvI3Z0fS43x1n3MwfeN4TXRz7T2H+8a+92ie/bU=; b=XXLOefCTa5IAAVjnDE2g/ZHAc6wuMAA02ZocM7sCwuYy3npkoP8VRBh+1V7flygDnM b9Y9xNo3UWWUJtpXSGYMTiQFp2QEII6Tx0uuXVKVD274ON8w0Wr3W+VQ8+Ly3ilNRzUE a/YMlHT/yquyPS/apwyHP9gLvQ/1Cfbo5naz0= Received: by 10.50.76.164 with SMTP id l4mr3747289igw.1.1329771006134; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.93.147 with SMTP id v19ls10353094ibm.1.gmail; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.207.35 with SMTP id lt3mr4115954igc.1.1329771005600; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.207.35 with SMTP id lt3mr4115952igc.1.1329771005583; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1si2748511igq.1.2012.02.20.12.50.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com with SMTP id uo19so12784600obb.39 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 10.182.36.1 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.36.1; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.36.1]) by 10.182.36.1 with SMTP id m1mr6617582obj.73.1329771005503 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.36.1 with SMTP id m1mr5656376obj.73.1329771005457; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.13.70 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <22495153.974.1329738307546.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndy9> From: Luke Bergen Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444719d69b4b804b96b703e X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0444719d69b4b804b96b703e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It definitely falls under the category of "ok, I see what you're trying to get at". I'd hear "mi kakne lo nu do citka" similar to a kid saying "I want to candy". Cutely wrong, but I get what they're trying for. I'd probably correct them (though not by raging that "no, that doesn't make sense, I don't understand what you're even trying to say"). On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, la .lindar. > wrote: > > > I disagree with your interpretation. It's just nonsense. It obeys laws of > > grammar, but it's semantically useless. > > You're always enlightening, lindar :) > > The point is that what is grammatically correct, may or may not make > sense: it is a "speaker" responsibility to be as clear as possible and > it is a "listener" responsibility to try to understand what the > speaker says. > > I personally prefer to have an interpretation for {ko'a kakne lo nu > ko'e broda} just saying that is a "non sense" doesn't seem to do any > good to anyone. > > remod > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0444719d69b4b804b96b703e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It definitely falls under the category of "ok, I see what you're t= rying to get at". =A0I'd hear "mi kakne lo nu do citka" = similar to a kid saying "I want to candy". =A0Cutely wrong, but I= get what they're trying for. =A0I'd probably correct them (though = not by raging that "no, that doesn't make sense, I don't under= stand what you're even trying to say").

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Remo Dentat= o <rdentato@gmai= l.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
> I disagree with your interpretation. It's just nonsense. It obeys = laws of
> grammar, but it's semantically useless.

You're always enlightening, lindar :)

The point is that what is grammatically correct, may or may not make
sense: it is a "speaker" responsibility to be as clear as possibl= e and
it is a "listener" responsibility to try to understand what the speaker says.

I personally prefer to have an interpretation for {ko'a kakne lo nu
ko'e broda} just saying that is a "non sense" doesn't see= m to do any
good to anyone.

remod

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