Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:60600)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCN74r6BBoErdyTCQ@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1RzaYZ-0004sJ-MI; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:14:04 -0800
Received: by bkty15 with SMTP id y15sf7029866bkt.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:51 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to
         :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type
         :content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=916VMiSpSshZ3zZcc6GzHpb9JK65TaEg4ZXTV3qnbA8=;
        b=qTelELgGNEbL8puEO45y4zi2E6vxZIsVYue2FMsyktjQmFXKCnrtaI+mBMsTcKasX1
         hGUA7xJlD6/aK5PvMk3pMDz/he1AJF73HsoHCH5UVQSAmDp+h0h9mJWxlvLs/1WSAd8c
         9L0HJxRW3QQLiLAc1tfxCh48hWy1c4caUcrvA=
Received: by 10.204.133.197 with SMTP id g5mr1547506bkt.10.1329772429630;
        Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:49 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls8547990bkb.0.gmail; Mon, 20 Feb
 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.204.154.143 with SMTP id o15mr1653958bkw.4.1329772428611;
        Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.204.154.143 with SMTP id o15mr1653957bkw.4.1329772428600;
        Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si25231157bko.3.2012.02.20.13.13.48
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.52;
Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com with SMTP id y4so11320405lag.39
        for <lojban@googlegroups.com>; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 10.112.10.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.10.169;
Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.10.169])
        by 10.112.10.169 with SMTP id j9mr8935811lbb.70.1329772428481 (num_hops = 1);
        Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.112.10.169 with SMTP id j9mr7473778lbb.70.1329772428428; Mon,
 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.112.110.105 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:13:48 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <CAEimHHB6942hpHYHmJ0bTveMzhD+_ajbjOkKmrrhoaZcR2W1QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f46d044287ca46463f04b94dcd1a@google.com>
	<22495153.974.1329738307546.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndy9>
	<CAAQ0imPnn6_yqZJHSFLZrgLApAmrqtHujT4W7RtFLVKd_F-w_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEimHHB6942hpHYHmJ0bTveMzhD+_ajbjOkKmrrhoaZcR2W1QA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:13:48 -0300
Message-ID: <CAO7tK2ea0qsF84-W-fGPXDNvYvsFc5bR06LE74G4PEwT_YV8Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> It definitely falls under the category of "ok, I see what you're trying t=
o
> get at". =A0I'd hear "mi kakne lo nu do citka" similar to a kid saying "I=
 want
> to candy". =A0Cutely wrong, but I get what they're trying for. =A0I'd pro=
bably
> correct them (though not by raging that "no, that doesn't make sense, I
> don't understand what you're even trying to say").

But wouldn't the obvious interpretation of that be "I can be eaten by you"?

mi kakne lo nu [mi] citka
mi kakne lo nu do citka [mi]
mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise [gau mi]

"kakne" requires its x1 to be a part of the event in x2, usually an
agent in x2, but there is no rule that the x1 has to be explicitly
repeated in x2, in fact it is common to leave it out. So I'm not sure
there's anything that needs correcting.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.