Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:56295) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RzmP3-0008FB-MI; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:53:03 -0800 Received: by yhgg71 with SMTP id g71sf8670567yhg.16 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wQuZL3xxKGxGKG/+CVK8KL7fE8pu1AZbTsdOB6tJdmk=; b=smFPoJo8CrExuaf5R4cnDtRkvH9Zb4V0PWIp0I2DIicdnHOQxcApmpSfT1tTcl31Ts ctQzTcrvMTIetrlKCFqFRZYgl2yJlEL2QCaqP3AZZwc/uebB6vGpvw4cWM4TEfilquqI A7xv7TEmIIA/OZETjoTRO4JhfPye2WLIVywwE= Received: by 10.50.214.39 with SMTP id nx7mr4537707igc.1.1329817968669; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.29.8 with SMTP id o8ls10180976ibc.6.gmail; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.157.230 with SMTP id wp6mr4817212igb.4.1329817967050; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.157.230 with SMTP id wp6mr4817211igb.4.1329817967042; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f176.google.com (mail-iy0-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1si3232179igq.1.2012.02.21.01.52.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.176; Received: by mail-iy0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z35so12228481iag.35 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 10.50.11.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.11.200; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.11.200]) by 10.50.11.200 with SMTP id s8mr18425014igb.10.1329817967028 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.11.200 with SMTP id s8mr14858223igb.10.1329817966983; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.73 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:52:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <22495153.974.1329738307546.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndy9> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:52:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Just to be sure what I meant is clear. My point is that the interpretation = of {ko'a kakne lo nu broda} is that {ko'a} is such that {lo nu broda} can be true (regardless if it will eventually become true or not). So {mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise} (to me) means that I'm able to have you eating an apple. Either because I bought it for you, or because I shoved it down to your throat, or I threatened you that you won't go outside playing with your friends if you don't finish that damned apple. This seems (to me) the most logical interpretation to assign to {kakne}. If nobody things that my interpretation is acceptable, I will support the interpretation from xorxes. If nobody cares enough for one or the other, I suspect we'll leave it undetermined as it is now. remod On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > 2012/2/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> It is context that dictates what fills the unfilled slots. > > This would not cover the case {mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise}. You > had to use [gau mi} to add a "slot" that would be meaningful. > > Anyway. I'm fine with that, either. What do the others think? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.