wrote: > coi ro do > > ni'o pe'i da sidbo lo pe'i diklo vajni gi'e na'e ca se valsi befi la > lojban. > > .i pei =C2=ABlu mi ca zvati lo za'e xa'anze tcadu li'u=C2=BB .i pei =C2= =ABlu mi no'e > nelci lo za'e marsipane li'u=C2=BB > > I give up and continue in English=E2=80=A6 :( > > Where I live there are two locally important (as in: moderately > frequent, but prestigious use, also in compounds and names =E2=86=92 word= s > should be short and catchy) concepts for which there seem to be no > Lojban words so far. Is this what I should/could propose type-4 > fu'ivla for? If so, I need some help. > > ? xa'anze: x1 reflects Hanseatic culture/community/whatever in aspect > x2 > ? marsipane: x1 is/contains marzipan =E2=80=A6 ??? of sort x2 ??? made fr= om x2 > % almond mass and x3 % sugar ??? =E2=80=A6 oh my, I=E2=80=99m not a pastr= ymaker, but > there are different types and qualities of marzipan, so something like > that should probably be in the place structure of such a word > > (If I got it right, the expected thing would be to go through the > stages of type-1 to eventually type-4 fu'ivla as the Lojban community > feels the need. The problem being, considering the popularity of > Lojban around here, I would have to do that talking to myself. :/ And > talking to myself in type-1 fu'ivla sucks.) > > Comments anyone? Thanks in advance! > > mi'e iesk > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf3079b89ebe37ea04b9ae46b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They both seem good to me, but I'm very fu'ivla-liberal, so I'm= not a good reference for this.

I'd suggest using type-3 variations= of these, to be understood fully without need of the vlaste:

{kulnrxa'anze} and {cidjrmarsipane}

As the conversation progr= esses and the words are reused though, shift to the type-4, as they're = shorter.

In my opinion, fu'ivla should have as= little places as possible, and when it comes to food fu'ivla, a struct= ure such as "x1 is/contains [food] of type x2" always seems suffi= cient. Does marzipan really contain elements that merit places all to thems= elves? An "of type" place is vague enough to allow the speaker to= mean whatever he or she wants with it, either by specifying a named type w= ith [la] and friends, or using abstract raising with [zo'e pe] on tags = or regular sumti. For instance:

{lo [cidjr]marsipane be zo'e pe secau lo naltitla ri'orsmela} = "Marzipan (made) without bitter almonds", where [ri'orsmela] = can be replaced with an alternative not using the experimental gismu [smela= ], such as [crino zei rutrprunu] or [ri'onrutrprunu] or whatever.

Of course, one could make a lujvo for marzipan, but if = shortness is a requirement, fu'ivla are the way to go. I'd propose:= [smelyjtitla], if we're accepting [smela] or [ci'onrutrprunu'y= titla] if we're accepting a BPFK proposal concering fu'ivla rafsi o= r [crino zei rutrprunu zei titla] if we're limiting ourselves to CLL Lo= jban.

mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 23 February 2012 16:23, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:

coi ro do

ni'o pe'i da sidbo lo pe'i diklo vajni gi'e na'e ca se = valsi befi la
lojban.

.i pei =C2=ABlu mi ca zvati lo za'e xa'anze tcadu li'u=C2=BB .i= pei =C2=ABlu mi no'e
nelci lo za'e marsipane li'u=C2=BB

I give up and continue in English=E2=80=A6 :(

Where I live there are two locally important (as in: moderately
frequent, but prestigious use, also in compounds and names =E2=86=92 words<= br> should be short and catchy) concepts for which there seem to be no
Lojban words so far. Is this what I should/could propose type-4
fu'ivla for? If so, I need some help.

? xa'anze: x1 reflects Hanseatic culture/community/whatever in aspect x2
? marsipane: x1 is/contains marzipan =E2=80=A6 ??? of sort x2 ??? made from= x2
% almond mass and x3 % sugar ??? =E2=80=A6 oh my, I=E2=80=99m not a pastrym= aker, but
there are different types and qualities of marzipan, so something like
that should probably be in the place structure of such a word

(If I got it right, the expected thing would be to go through the
stages of type-1 to eventually type-4 fu'ivla as the Lojban community feels the need. The problem being, considering the popularity of
Lojban around here, I would have to do that talking to myself. :/ And
talking to myself in type-1 fu'ivla sucks.)

Comments anyone? Thanks in advance!

mi'e iesk

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