Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:56511) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S0vWT-000893-Hr; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:27 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf2137454vbb.16 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6odM0i0ogxFM2gIOUjWZoFW8JTdqNn401+eoNOe5gw0=; b=RWq3g3bTAugcfGWxFexXu31yYBtLFnqGrUJK2jMTIszA+LuHNAW+NYbYUp1BlswTxk tUnWXUa2MV2MMNvljJ1NuyzJ03zJQXT8rHsgY4E2SfvGrU8QjnwQMTwhHz+hRoGkBobB IipsBFAZPmy2iyyvYtQACMauBeWhOpUCJXoCQ= Received: by 10.236.79.166 with SMTP id i26mr167819yhe.10.1330091352847; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.170.2 with SMTP id x2ls2521752ano.3.gmail; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.13.9 with SMTP id q9mr1126047ani.1.1330091351386; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.13.9 with SMTP id q9mr1126046ani.1.1330091351371; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d64si2774346yhn.3.2012.02.24.05.49.11; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0686121647 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:49:11 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An opinion against Lojban/Loglan Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:49:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <8249158.105.1330078848621.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjn6> In-Reply-To: <8249158.105.1330078848621.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjn6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201202240849.09497.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, February 24, 2012 05:20:48 gleki wrote: > This was posted earlier today in the Russian group of lidepla language. > The following is written allegedly by Stephen Rice according to the author > of the group but it's not confirmed by anyone else. Anyway there will be no > confirmation. > What's your opinion about the following ? > > Briefly: I don't consider either Loglan or Lojban viable auxlangs. > They weren't designed for it. Their use of logical predicate > structure, while making simple sentences easy to produce, also bloats > the lexicon, because you technically need a new predicate every time > you change the underlying structure--something regular languages use > adpositions to do. Unfortunately, they weren't designed for ease of > derivation, either: Loglanists were originally supposed to chain > together individual predicate words, much as in Toki Pona. The > language was designed for that--it still is, despite some retrofits. Lojban does have adpositions (sumtcita). All members of BAI are prepositions, and tense markers can also be used as prepositions. > From a linguistic standpoint, the relationships differ sharply; as > logical predicates, however, their structures are identical. Loglan > mitigated this with a system of case tags, which the Lojbanists > rejected. My Loglan 2.0 would be based on such a case system. What does he mean? Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.