Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:61370) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S11uj-0004pV-Rl; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:58 -0800 Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14sf2294685lag.16 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f+bm8lNdz1zweE0e2Xos8XYt69ImI0aIa8GaaC/cy98=; b=eMFxDR0YIPAvdVGaLkeig1e2/5lCnwKONaxwEgUcOGjaAi4dXo41TPwo1urx726cia mXM1il0M5RCfYkewrp33RKe+VvNCxwVmPUy0umoAbnT4LjZ8ijf80wCrUSJyoOwcdwi6 oqQN/tVhcbToJeebQD2NOA0kbHEPFGWF7/xfM= Received: by 10.204.153.215 with SMTP id l23mr340458bkw.26.1330115919443; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.113.145 with SMTP id ew17ls4751418bkc.8.gmail; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr328413bkw.7.1330115918385; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr328412bkw.7.1330115918364; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si6851135bkz.0.2012.02.24.12.38.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.54; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com with SMTP id z14so4068826lag.41 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 10.152.109.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.109.193; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.109.193]) by 10.152.109.193 with SMTP id hu1mr3121189lab.38.1330115918263 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.109.193 with SMTP id hu1mr2566956lab.38.1330115918145; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.66.177 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Diplomacy as Lojban proficiency test. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee4a0cfa72704b9bbbe93 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee4a0cfa72704b9bbbe93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing or negotiating ability. stevo On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > So we've started a Diplomacy game ( > http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 ). Diplomacy is > a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based > more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other > players (and then betray them at the best time :D). > > I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in > a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure > out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". I imagine that > whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length > says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. Turns of, say, > two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I > imagine. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54ee4a0cfa72704b9bbbe93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing or ne= gotiating ability.=A0

stevo

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell &= lt;rlpowell@digitalkingdom.o= rg> wrote:

So we've started a Diplomacy game (
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3D80849 ). =A0Dipl= omacy is
a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based
more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other
players (and then betray them at the best time :D).

I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in
a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure
out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". =A0I imagine that
whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length
says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. =A0Turns of, say,
two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I
imagine.

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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