Received: from mail-tul01m020-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:59595) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S12KZ-0005eZ-L1; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:42 -0800 Received: by obcuz6 with SMTP id uz6sf2669248obc.16 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMW93IevGRCS95_6BBoEN8ThUQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.50.160.132 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.160.132; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMW93IevGRCS95_6BBoEN8ThUQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.50.160.132 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCMW93IevGRCS95_6BBoEN8ThUQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCMW93IevGRCS95_6BBoEN8ThUQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.160.132]) by 10.50.160.132 with SMTP id xk4mr5713281igb.0.1330117525319 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UOiEqNhB1Lf6BNRoaLnJQ5nfTcHLx1P7Cio0rDt3prM=; b=RpfNReVPixO4IcAWLqt9I3gt3j9MSABiYWERHpQ092W/PxUIwuGqzn48JnJk4U7mFt ex4DKJZO7np9hCGydyTYxEAEY4G1RWOBA6TLUlQPz64fwj38ONeMKftBo9Y4v/TlVTFV Ap57QXUlvdbtvA0+OxjIRUnnsjuFEV41rUlNk= Received: by 10.50.160.132 with SMTP id xk4mr1588374igb.0.1330117522320; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.93.147 with SMTP id v19ls7161083ibm.1.gmail; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.108.5 with SMTP id f5mr1722218icp.7.1330117521823; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.108.5 with SMTP id f5mr1722217icp.7.1330117521814; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f174.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1si483246igq.1.2012.02.24.13.05.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by obcva7 with SMTP id va7so3310810obc.19 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk designates 10.182.86.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.86.201; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.86.201]) by 10.182.86.201 with SMTP id r9mr1556767obz.8.1330117521364 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.86.201 with SMTP id r9mr1331801obz.8.1330117521264; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.61.134 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:05:21 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Diplomacy as Lojban proficiency test. From: Matthew Walton To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQno2cMw+kTWc8ut6brez0y8LVD6JrIXp68uD1KNuJ43KITCsQUl1dOilXfAB7laX/0Pxmy7 X-Original-Sender: matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / But you can't negotiate if you don't speak the language to a level beyond {mi pendo do}. On 24 February 2012 20:38, MorphemeAddict wrote: > This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing or > negotiating ability. > > stevo > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: >> >> >> So we've started a Diplomacy game ( >> http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3D80849 ). =A0Diplomacy is >> a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based >> more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other >> players (and then betray them at the best time :D). >> >> I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in >> a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure >> out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". =A0I imagine that >> whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length >> says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. =A0Turns of, say, >> two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I >> imagine. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni >> li'u >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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