Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:61073) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S17fx-00014s-KM; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:48:02 -0800 Received: by eaaj10 with SMTP id j10sf2455495eaa.16 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:47:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BbD6zqQsSiy8RKcTCenyzGUjR1JfdNyW7pZylNSD4ys=; b=FE6Wi27Q4DEM52Ihn4pUFlNK4OJJ2g/SBsVLtfjYlyIVdRFCAVe0KpFeMJ1ZFanpdn tCoPI0ulV9PQdjjMw6EjV8B25Sb7ltMEfhsN0Bqgl4B2Q1S135Vods/+SOjOfuyOw6eV oS0N6MAIFCPWzMa7TVEF/Q5kuz1aJsMDSfKPQ= Received: by 10.204.152.149 with SMTP id g21mr361517bkw.19.1330137353255; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.12.73 with SMTP id w9ls4633672bkw.9.gmail; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr384297bkw.7.1330137351232; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr384296bkw.7.1330137351213; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si7811695bkz.0.2012.02.24.18.35.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.45; Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so4780773lah.18 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.86.198 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.86.198; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.86.198]) by 10.112.86.198 with SMTP id r6mr2033002lbz.53.1330137350774 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.198 with SMTP id r6mr1674892lbz.53.1330137350648; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8249158.105.1330078848621.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjn6> <201202240849.09497.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4F47C325.8030902@gmx.de> <15708505.1.1330130879554.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbciw6> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An opinion against Lojban/Loglan From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d6dc49b28a04b9c0bc0d X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec554d6dc49b28a04b9c0bc0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I remember correctly, there was mention of an idea to remove the seldom used places of various brivla and use BAI for them instead when they were needed. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis < felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24 February 2012 22:33, .arpis. wrote: > > I think that his complaint (at least if he's complaining about > > something reasonable) is that {lo clacizyjvovau} (to borrow a term > > from the nomic game I keep meaning to resurrect but lack the time) > > don't have a well defined place structure. > > > > If that lujvo were to be defined, and people found its place structure ha= rd > to memorize, they could still use modal tags like {fi'o ve lujvo}. In > tanru you > have the additional option of using linked sumti... > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM, la .lindar. > wrote: > >> He also seems to think there's no rule for making compound words. Ther= e > is, in fact, a very rigid system that can be unambiguously disassembled > into component words. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/yVVA49FlbxsJ. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec554d6dc49b28a04b9c0bc0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I remember correctly, there was mention of an idea to remove the seldom = used places of various brivla and use BAI for them instead when they were n= eeded.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM, F= elipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 February 2012 22:33,= .arpis. <rpglover64+jb= obau@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that his complaint (at least if he's complaining about
> something reasonable) is that {lo clacizyjvovau} (to borrow a term
> from the nomic game I keep meaning to resurrect but lack the time)
> don't have a well defined place structure.
>

If that lujvo were to be defined, and people found its place structur= e hard
to memorize, they could still use modal tags like {fi'o ve lujvo}. In t= anru you
have the additional option of using linked sumti...

> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He also seems to think there's no rule for making compound wor= ds. There is, in fact, a very rigid system that can be unambiguously disass= embled into component words.
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