Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:47944) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S1C8P-0004rP-TT; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:46 -0800 Received: by wgbgn7 with SMTP id gn7sf67208wgb.16 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=E2XfI7WdOpaHRvfjunKLC0ora+GBldW0TxbXsZd1O54=; b=Jv3MxPKH6Om4FPL9v3+0yT3M5klymduvv7fHiMzEnxohSFZmfz8sypvzMADYlaTVBp 2C32qR/MKtASyt4if1BGQSxwLx6BR7i+ONl/aF82w4WyCJjBVU0mHoJddIK7MPrNROuI 67U9Xlyw5ZXO0qMvLOdjlhmVwIczCsbmRvdUU= Received: by 10.204.153.10 with SMTP id i10mr449709bkw.3.1330155207879; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.42.74 with SMTP id r10ls4856724bke.6.gmail; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.200 with SMTP id p8mr424153bks.2.1330155206429; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.200 with SMTP id p8mr424152bks.2.1330155206410; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si8611750bkb.1.2012.02.24.23.33.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com with SMTP id k11so3923409lag.29 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 10.152.109.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.109.193; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.109.193]) by 10.152.109.193 with SMTP id hu1mr4419547lab.38.1330155206268 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.109.193 with SMTP id hu1mr3659932lab.38.1330155206153; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.66.177 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:33:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120224193228.GH30611@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Diplomacy as Lojban proficiency test. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee4a08f174c04b9c4e445 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee4a08f174c04b9c4e445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 True, but even speaking the language fluently doesn't mean a person will be able to play well. stevo On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Matthew Walton < matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk> wrote: > But you can't negotiate if you don't speak the language to a level > beyond {mi pendo do}. > > On 24 February 2012 20:38, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing or > > negotiating ability. > > > > stevo > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> So we've started a Diplomacy game ( > >> http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 ). Diplomacy is > >> a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based > >> more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other > >> players (and then betray them at the best time :D). > >> > >> I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in > >> a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure > >> out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". I imagine that > >> whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length > >> says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. Turns of, say, > >> two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I > >> imagine. > >> > >> -Robin > >> > >> -- > >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > >> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > >> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > >> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > >> li'u > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54ee4a08f174c04b9c4e445 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True, but even speaking the language fluently doesn't mean a person wil= l be able to play well.=A0

stevo

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Matthew Walton <matthew@matthew-walto= n.co.uk> wrote:
But you can't negotiate if you don't= speak the language to a level
beyond {mi pendo do}.

On 24 February 2012 20:38, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing = or
> negotiating ability.
>
> stevo
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So we've started a Diplomacy game (
>> http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3D80849 )= . =A0Diplomacy is
>> a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is base= d
>> more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other<= br> >> players (and then betray them at the best time :D).
>>
>> I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, = in
>> a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can f= igure
>> out co-operative puzzles, you are competent". =A0I imagine th= at
>> whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given leng= th
>> says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban. =A0Turns of, = say,
>> two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I >> imagine.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
>> http://singinst= .org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i = li'u .e
>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li&= #39;u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e = lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni
>> li'u
>>
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