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Speaking well may or may not lead to being successful; failing to
speak effectively will without question lead to failure, however.

Over a sequence of games, assuming short turns and real differences
in fluency, some people will sometimes win, and some people will
never win; the former are advanced and the turns made shorter,
continue until bored.

It was a fairly idle thought, regardless.

-Robin

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 02:33:06AM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> True, but even speaking the language fluently doesn't mean a
> person will be able to play well.
> 
> stevo
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Matthew Walton <
> matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > But you can't negotiate if you don't speak the language to a level
> > beyond {mi pendo do}.
> >
> > On 24 February 2012 20:38, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This game sounds less a test of language ability than of game-playing or
> > > negotiating ability.
> > >
> > > stevo
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So we've started a Diplomacy game (
> > >> http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 ).  Diplomacy is
> > >> a game with extremely simple rules, where winning the game is based
> > >> more-or-less entirely on your ability to negotiate with the other
> > >> players (and then betray them at the best time :D).
> > >>
> > >> I think this is a very good format for demonstrating proficiency, in
> > >> a manner similar to my commentary earlier about "if you can figure
> > >> out co-operative puzzles, you are competent".  I imagine that
> > >> whether or not you can win at diplomacy with turns of a given length
> > >> says quite a bit about your proficiency with Lojban.  Turns of, say,
> > >> two minutes long would push your Lojban ability to the limit, I
> > >> imagine.
> > >>
> > >> -Robin
> > >>
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