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On Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:58:14 Jacob Errington wrote:
> Yeah [beldjym] is pretty awful. The name should be based on French or
> Flemish or both, and not English.

Here are my ideas, where I think the name on the page is wrong or could be=
=20
improved:

angilys: could be angilas in dotside.

dominik: dominikas.

dominik.ka'ijec: dominikan.ka'ijec. It's pretty confusing in English having=
=20
"Dominican" mean two different countries depending on the accent. I know=20
several Dom=C3=ADnicans, but no Domin=C3=ADcans. In French and Spanish, the=
 two demonyms=20
have different endings, with "n" and "s" matching the ones I just gave. I'm=
 not=20
sure what the brivla forms should be.

seint.kits.joik.nevis: sen.kristof.jol.nieves. I could go either way on thi=
s,=20
except for the "jol" ("jol" is a rafsi, whereas "joik" is one of several te=
rms=20
ending in a "k" of obscure origin). I don't object to a cmevla ending in tw=
o=20
consonants, but xorxes does.

vrdjin.daplu: vrdjin.dapl. (The final "l" is syllabic.)

fok: I'm not sure what this is supposed to be, but I'm guessing malvinas.

fraso zei gudjanas: fas.gi,an.

gudjanas: gaian.

getygu'e: getygug. "getygu'e" is fine for the brivla form.

razgu'e: razgug. I'll omit simple "gu'e -> gug" from now on.

benesuel: venesuel. The sounds of "b" and "v" are interchangeable in Spanis=
h,=20
but not in Italian, where this name comes from (it refers to Venice). The=
=20
brivla form should be "vensuela", though the adjectival form in Spanish is=
=20
"venezolano", as frequently a stressed "ue" corresponds to an unstressed "o=
".

djeris: I'm guessing jexygug, which is mentioned below.

kongos: kongos.ka'ijec., or sic.kongos. for short. The brivla "kongolo" can=
=20
refer to either.

madagaskar: the brivla form is "malgaci".

mijyfi'o ka'irje'a: mijyfrik.ka'ijec., though nothing's wrong with the selb=
ri=20
as such.

misrygu'e: misrygug or just misr.

naidjer: this can also refer to the river, but that's not a problem.

namib: likewise, this can refer to the desert.

nanfi'o: nanfrik.

roltrusi'o zei .kongos:  kongos.[?].ka'ijec (I'm not sure what word should =
go=20
in between), or sun.kongos. for short.

somal., somalis: I'm not sure what distinction is being made here.

suatinis: this is Swaziland; I had to look it up.

sudan: la .nan.sudan., which wasn't separate when I originally made the lis=
t,=20
is missing.

faspolgu'e: faspolgug.

sralygu'e: sralygug.

zis. poi cnino: nuzilan.

airland: also .erin.

beldjym: belgium., beljik.

belrus: blabruk.

bosnas ertsegovinas: bosnas.jol.ertsegovinas.

bulgarias: bylgarias., with bolgaro or bulgaro for the brivla. The vowel in=
=20
Bulgarian is =D1=8A, which is Lojban y. The vowels in other Slavic language=
s vary:=20
o in Slovene but =D1=83 (u) in Macedonian, u (with absorption of the l) in =
Serbo-
Croatian, =D0=BE in Russian and Ukrainian, but =D0=B0 in Belarusian (but =
=D0=BE and =D0=B0 are=20
pronounced alike in Russian when unstressed).

elvetias: elvet.

finland: suomen.

kosovas: sounds okay to me, but the Slavs and the Albanians argue about the=
=20
third vowel.

lanplu: feroiar.

marin. poi censa: ces.marin. or san.marin.

sloven: this is Slovenia; the brivla is slovino. Maybe the cmevla should be=
=20
slovenias.

slovensk: this is Slovakia; the brivla is slovako.

suis: na'ebo la .elvet. It redirects to .sueriges., which starts with "ni'o=
 la=20
sfari,es."

turk: tirk. [y] (written =C3=BC in Turkish as well as German) usually turns=
 to "i"=20
in Lojban. The brivla is tirkce.

usteraij: estraix.

xesygu'e: xesygug., or just xels.

berti zei .xanguk: ber.tcoson. or ber.tcosen. The last vowel is /=C9=94/, w=
hich is=20
not a phoneme in Lojban.

tibet: pyd.

elenas. poi censa: ces.elenas. or san.elenas.

kupr: kipros. or kibris. or kubrus. The capital is la lefkocas. I don't kno=
w=20
where the initial N in English comes from.

kyrg: kyrgystan. The brivla is kirgizi.

laos: laus.

snanu zei .xanguk: nan.xanguk.

srilynkas: dotside allows srilankas., though the brivla is not srilanka, wh=
ich=20
is a basket made of strips of some material. I've seen such baskets, but I'=
m=20
not sure what they're made of.

xonkon: also xyngon. and cangan.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--=20
li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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