Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:43532) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S25B2-0006zA-94; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:20:07 -0800 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf1732392eek.16 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cZPc86HfQaPyOjcMvr2Tx5hzQXRnnSHrCWraqcAYkI8=; b=bvrRiz52C4RxXQ7MIPuLi/qxVknYRPI6n0ywAvcLeYqgHnCiRIcClEXwmSiZCYZpAh tU18YI+oO1o+jNASTUdDR/GLq5c1X+L0VyBseGOhfD6MQjDFoDGMhkAsVkGWD4eyWnq0 6Q6maYqqfKlg1gB2myKhp06B1+rRgmWm24Ii8= Received: by 10.180.90.201 with SMTP id by9mr3310478wib.1.1330366790239; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.146.202 with SMTP id te10ls6198630wib.4.gmail; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr929115wib.0.1330366789410; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr929114wib.0.1330366789399; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el7si8682289wid.2.2012.02.27.10.19.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id j55so882702wer.14 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 10.180.7.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.7.231; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.7.231]) by 10.180.7.231 with SMTP id m7mr26143791wia.3.1330366789386 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.7.231 with SMTP id m7mr20907352wia.3.1330366789245; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.103.101 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201202262127.29232.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201202262127.29232.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Sid Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:49:09 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Homonyms in Stage 3 fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ta'osai "Shaanxi" partially comes from Gwoyeu Romatzyh, a romanization that used spelling changes instead of diacritics/numbers to indicate tone. So, yeah. On 27 February 2012 07:57, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, February 26, 2012 20:41:18 guskant wrote: >> coi >> >> The algorithm of making a non-Lojban word into a valid Stage 3 fu'ivla >> may produce homonyms. >> For example, a Mexican may produce "djartako" from taco, while a >> Japanese may produce "djartako" from octopus dish. >> Is there algorithm to select one of them? > > "djartako" is a type-4, you mean "cidjrtako", but I see your point. There > isn't, and can't be, an algorithm to decide this. There can be a protocol (the > multiparty equivalent of an algorithm). > > Something somewhat similar happened with Chinese provinces. There are two > called "Shanxi" in different tones. In English, one of them is arbitrarily > spelled with two a's. There's also a country with three languages called Pong. > I don't know if they have different tones, or even what kind of tones they > have. > > Pierre > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.