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>
> coi
> Young people,
>  Rhetoric: the using of all grammars in speech, even if it optional,
> almost, "you can stand on the logic"
>  Eloquence: to use the most appropriate synonym in every place in
> speech.
> The  both is the magnificence of speech and remove the ambiguity for
> the listener completely.
>  This is advisable for the speakers to lojban.


*Welcome,*
*Youth,*
*To speak rhetorically is to use the grammar and vocabulary of the language
to the full extent; you don't only choose the fastest way to say something
that could be clearer when said in longer phrases, and you don't do the
opposite when ambiguity is negligible enough for human readers. You
"overcome" logic by using the "invisible logic," aka common-sense and
relying on that the reader should have it.*
*It isn't advisable to cherish brevity over clearness. Mega-words that have
many meanings of one concept in a language like Lojban (relying on lujvo's
for other meanings) are usually a bad idea as most people tend to hold
themselves onto what the dictionary offers.*
*This is advisable for Lojban speakers.*
*
*
And I'm out for today!

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<span style>Young people,</span><br style><span style>=A0Rhetoric: the usin=
g of all grammars in speech, even if it optional,<br></span><span style>alm=
ost, &quot;you can stand on the logic&quot;<br></span><span style>=A0Eloque=
nce: to use the most appropriate synonym in every place in<br>
</span><span style>speech.</span><br style><span style>The =A0both is the m=
agnificence of speech and remove the ambiguity for<br></span><span style>th=
e listener completely.<br></span><span style>=A0This is advisable for the s=
peakers to lojban.</span></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div><i>Welcome,</i></div><div><i>Youth,</i></div><div><i>To=
 speak rhetorically is to use the grammar and vocabulary of the language to=
 the full extent; you don&#39;t only choose the fastest way to say somethin=
g that could be clearer when said in longer phrases, and you don&#39;t do t=
he opposite when ambiguity is=A0negligible enough for human readers. You &q=
uot;overcome&quot; logic by using the &quot;invisible logic,&quot; aka comm=
on-sense and relying on that the reader should have it.</i></div>
<div><i>It isn&#39;t advisable to cherish brevity over clearness. Mega-word=
s that have many meanings of one concept in a language like Lojban (relying=
 on lujvo&#39;s for other meanings) are usually a bad idea as most people t=
end to hold themselves onto what the dictionary offers.</i></div>
<div><i>This is advisable for Lojban speakers.</i></div><div><i><br></i></d=
iv><div>And I&#39;m out for today!</div>
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